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Irrational Assertions in my inbox

AronRa

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Now that this forum is up and running again, allow me to launch with another example of the insanity I get in email every day.
Aron. Seriously ? The Ten Commandments were written to an ignorant people who could not figure out that is You love TRUTH and DO RIGHT then you will treat others properly as you would want to be treated .. don't steal lie cheat kill commit adultery let alone covet or be jealous. NOW nMister AronRA obviously you think you are so smart BUT you cannot even figure out that people sapient/sentient SELF ACTUATING ENTITIES are not "created perfect" for the same reason our babies are not created perfect , because they have to GROW AND LEARN to be SELF ACTUATING SELF ASCENDED ENTITIES!!! The Highest Moral Authority would never violate the right of a self actuating entity to NOT BELIEVE IN GOD or Truth or even doing right as even Satanists understand that " The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own."...
If you want to know who God really is ask me. Because God has told me he wants an army of atheists to reveal who he is to the whole world and you cannot do that until YOU know who he really is.
We are learning to be self actuating entities and the SINGULARITY is n longer a hypothetical point in time as Ray Kurzweil suggests... IT IS NOW.. yes holograms and virtual reality and super computers and artificial intelligence and quantum fluctuations and subatomic electromagnetic energy waves of photons/synapses ..
that Einstein said this about “It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.”
So I replied:
Aron Ra said:
The ten commandments don't say anything about truth. If people weren't allowed to lie, there would be no religion. Yes, people have the right to believe in their gods, but they also have a right to pursue truth, and that always leads the other way. A few Christians have told me they "have a right to be wrong", and that's true, but I have a right to be right, and other people have a right not to be deceived, especially by the empty assertions of any religion. A higher moral authority would at least caution against believing in lies that require faith.

A higher moral authority also would not have composed any of the so-called "commandments" we find in Genesis 20 through 34. But one that WOULD be there is that one should never assert baseless unsupported subjective impressions as though it were a matter of fact, like you just did when you said what you imagine your god told you. Pretending to know things no one even can know is dishonest, yet that's what all religions do, and that's what you did when you said I should ask you if I want to who God is. Even if there really was a god, it's obvious that you don't know anything about it.

It doesn't matter how convinced you are. All delusional people are absolute convinced of whatever their delusion is, whether it is belief in a flat earth, the Loch Ness monster, past life remembrance, or extraterrestrial reptiles in human guise in charge of the illuminati. None of those things are true, yet believers in each insist that they absolutely know otherwise. However knowledge is demonstrable with measurable accuracy. You can show what you know. But if you can't verify the accuracy of your claims to any degree at all by any means whatsoever then you cannot actually know what you merely believe.
And this was his response:
I do not know if this is actually Aron Ra. But thank you for your response , as much clarification is necessary when you consider these words were intended for the feeble minded who could not understand why the two greatest commands would suffice.
The ten commandments don't say anything about truth. If people weren't allowed to lie, there would be no religion. Yes, people have the right to believe in their gods, but they also have a right to pursue truth, and that always leads the other way. A few Christians have told me they "have a right to be wrong", and that's true, but I have a right to be right, and other people have a right not to be deceived, especially by the empty assertions of any religion. A higher moral authority would at least caution against believing in lies that require faith.
and that is exactly what it did by having a talking snake use Gods Words to deceive Adam and Eve ... and Satan using Gods Words to try to deceive Jesus as he does all of us figuratively and metaphorically speaking and how Jesus greatest criticisms were of the Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees and high priests and even saying about Christians holy books and preachers “ they will do evil in my name “..... it’s not rocket science manipulate will claim the authority of God.....but Jesus said don’t call me good teacher because there is one teacher, referring to the personal experience inferred by the Golden Rule...the bible basically SCREAMS “ do NOT trust holy books and preachers” for a very good reason.
“A higher moral authority also would not have composed any of the so-called "commandments" we find in Genesis 20 through 34. But one that WOULD be there is that one should never assert baseless unsupported subjective impressions as though it were a matter of fact,”
It’s called do not bare false witness...
“ like you just did when you said what you imagine your god told you. Pretending to know things no one even can know is dishonest, yet that's what all religions do, and that's what you did when you said I should ask you if I want to who God is. Even if there really was a god, it's obvious that you don't know anything about it.
You do not know who my god is and you will have to be wise as I explain this to you... first as Carl Sagan says God is the laws of physics in a physical perception of reality.. I JUST NOW got this thought... once you have committed a thought into active motion, you cannot take it back from the past it is DONE you can change and correct a mistake you cannot make it not have happened that’s why NOW the singularity is GOD.....now pay close attention. God is the spirit of Truth and Right... by this definition
“the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.... and
“those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.”

Humans are jointly SAPIENT/SENTIENT entities Sagan got the sentient part but he and Einstein did not get the sapient part as I explained once you put your sapience into Motion it had better be based on the Truth of Sentient God of physics and be the RIGHT motion or you will have hell instead of heaven as the consequences of those actions you based your thoughts and beliefs and choices on.
It doesn't matter how convinced you are. All delusional people are absolute convinced of whatever their delusion is, whether it is belief in a flat earth, the Loch Ness monster, past life remembrance, or extraterrestrial reptiles in human guise in charge of the illuminati. None of those things are true, yet believers in each insist that they absolutely know otherwise. However knowledge is demonstrable with measurable accuracy. You can show what you know. But if you can't verify the accuracy of your claims to any degree at all by any means whatsoever then you cannot actually know what you merely believe.
again Einstein said ALL “mankind” is optically deluded into thinking he is separate from the universe, “... we are all just a virtual reality consisting of an entire universe created out of subatomic electromagnetic energy waves.. photons firing on and off creating a QUANTUM FLUCTUATION... which consists of the creation of matter (dark matter particles, or physical perception of the past QF) and anti matter ( dark energy waves or perception of hope and plans for future QF) instinct for survival. Of course the photon represents that visible 5% of the universe we perceive as visual..... these three remain FAITH in our memories of a past forever gone 0.. HOPE for a future never here 0... and LOVE of our existence of NOW 1...which is all that ever exists which is a combination of that matter anti matter thoughts of the frequencies we call angstroms and decibels or the perceived sights and sounds that make up our virtual reality that Einstein said this about “It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.”...... ask me anything you want about god or this SINGULARITY That we exist as a virtual reality that is a constant now that continually expands by the creation of past and future thoughts, the edge of the universe seems like a event horizon because you cannot see beyond. The edge of now in either direction past or future because neither exists except as our NOW SAPIENCE which perceived our SENTIENCE as a virtual reality that we are creating, now by now.
I may post a response to all this, once time allows. In the meantime, I'll leave this to any parties interested in engaging this guy.
 
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Gosh. Well. Golly geebus. In other words, a god with infinite powers and abilities could not find a way to make the human apes understand basic moralistic and ethical game theory that many thousands of other species do, so the god had to "dumb it down" for us. Er---- why did the gods make us that way in the first place?
 
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I hadn't replied to this loon, but it seems he took that as an invitation to send me seven more emails full of craziness.
This is serious if this is getting to Aron Ra , god wants your help...if you understand my messages like the following one, you will know the god speaking to me is not some ridiculous contradictory bible entity... but basically god is saying to you “Aron why persecuteth thou me. I am not that Religious God I warned you was a talking snake, I am the Truth. I need you to tell the world the Truth.” That’s about it now you can talk to god about the truth between you and him if you want..... here is the last comment I wrote about secular perception... “
Okay another one 2020 an appropriate year to SEE the new SINGULARITY that has come from our understanding of holograms and virtual reality and super computers and artificial intelligence and the binary system frequencies of wave pressure that we can define everything with and subatomic electromagnetic energy waves which create this singularity with quantum fluctuations creating matter and antimatter, just thoughts of Faith in memory thought that is dark matter particles and Hope thoughts of dark energy waves in expectation and plans for future quantum fluctuations of the firing of photons we represent as the visible 5% universe we can see in the NOW which is all that ever exists....the edge of the universe is that event horizon we cannot see beyond because it does not exist... the past forever gone and the future never here and the reason light is both particle and wave because the QF is NOW creating and recreating those photons into matter anti matter thoughts of past and future using the now of those firing synapses/photons.... ummm was that TOO secular? EDIT: oh with the Faith and Hope I forgot to mention the bible metaphor includes the suggestion of using LOVE in this current NOW to create a better NEXT NOW since NOW is the only time we can actually love anything or anyone and make our current now a better universe to live in. Oh yeah which is the PURPOSE OF LIFE, the Pursuit of Happiness... by fulfilling our needs of love belonging purpose esteem self actualization and self ascendancy.. which can only be done in the NOW because that is all that exists in this SINGULARITY..”
2nd.
Okay you need to think here
You said “The Ten Commandments do not say anything about Truth” and yet the first commandment says thou shalt worship the lord your god with all your heart mind soul, whatever pay attention GOD = the spirit of TRUTH AND RIGHT and we must worship god in spirit and in truth .... let me get spirit definition for you that deals with our heart soul and mind qualities and characteristics.. brb...””those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.” I WILL LET THAT SINK IN.. and hopefully it will help you understand who god really is....”
3rd.
A few Christians have told me they "have a right to be wrong", and that's true, but I have a right to be right, and other people have a right not to be deceived, especially by the empty assertions of any religion. A higher moral authority would at least caution against believing in lies that require faith.
Even Satanists know what you are saying their 4th tenet says “The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.”
and the highest moral authority I know first thought to me immediately upon my request to show him said this to me “I cannot prove to you that I exist””””
The highest moral authority will never violate the right of a self actuating entity to NOT believe in him...
Therefore the next thought god gave me was an option that put the onus on ME if I wanted to believe in him, he said this “Believing in me is a choice” followed by “ choose now what you want to believe”
These are exact quotes from 49 years ago in billing’s Montana ... I remember the exact quotes from the last day I was an agnostic and became a. Believer in that voice that I identify as the spirit of the teachings of the character who said “ I am not a good teacher” “there is ONE TEACHER” Personal Experience, in the form of the golden rule taught by our father in heaven .... pssst that would be the qualities of truth and right in the character of... let me quote it again “those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.” sure they may be subjective but you know what I mean... if not like my mom said “if you don’t know I am not going to tell you” as Jesus said
Matthew 13:10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.
4th
higher moral authority would at least caution against believing in lies that require faith.
did you not read about all those talking snakes that used GODS WORDS , allegedly the serpent the snakes and viper Jews the Christian Jesus said would “ do evil in my name”,....
5th.
But one that WOULD be there is that one should never assert baseless unsupported subjective impressions as though it were a matter of fact, like you just did when you said what you imagine your god told you. Pretending to know things no one even can know is dishonest, yet that's what all religions do, and that's what you did when you said I should ask you if I want to who God is. Even if there really was a god, it's obvious that you don't know anything about it.
I say it a million times “ I KNOW NOTHING... now 49 years later I know what Jesus meant when he said “ I know only what my father in heaven reveals to me”.... how can you NOT understand that I said gods first words to me were “ I CANNOT PROVE TO YOU THAT I EXIST” does that make me dishonest in that I know KNOW... All these things I say??? NOOOOO! god said BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.... everything I say is just my CHOSEN BELIEF....not what I “know” or can prove..... my belief is we are a virtual reality composed of subatomic electromagnetic energy waves that our sapient quantum fluctuations create as dark matter particles we perceive in our THOUGHTS as frequencies of binary photonic expressions of the physical past FAITH And anti matter particles of dark energy waves we imagine in our THOUGHTS or HOPES of another Quantum Fluctuation or instinct of survival to the NEXT NOW moment in perpetuity... QF upon QF ....that is who god started out as that FIRST I AM that expands layer upon layer thought matter and hope anti matter upon IAm thought.... a SINGULARITY we perceive as a physical reality as EINSTEIN PUT IT ““It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.”. PLEASE try to put these pieces together like a computer puts together that VR GAME and like our brain puts together DREAMS .. synapse upon synapse photon upon photon QF upon QF .. mankind is optically deluded into thinking he is separate from the universe .. yeah yeah trivialize it with the word MATRIX... but that is the I AM. god concept as I understand it... and the bible DID warn us about Religion and it’s Manipulations ... it’s all still there I SEE THE METAHORS AS I MENTIONED even Jesus saying outright” They will do evil in my name”
Argghhhh I get so frustrated because it is so evident to me and not even you atheists pick up on the fact as Jesus said out right “ he and god JUDGE NO ONE” but religions? The are NOT OF GOD.. release yourself from the weight of those chains you STILL CARRY as Einstein pointed out... and see the Music of the Spheres of who and what god REALLY IS! Not claims I make but personal perceptions and beliefs Zi am sharing with you....
6th.
But if you can't verify the accuracy of your claims to any degree at all by any means whatsoever then you cannot actually know what you merely believe
EXACTLY AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GODS FIRST WORDS TO ME WERE——secularize the concepts ——. “I cannot prove to you that I exist”. ...” Believing in me is a choice. “ ... “ Choose now what you want to believe” ... where did those exact thoughts come from? A deluded mankind ? .... or.... a collective consciousness??... a SINGULARITY??
Photons on and off creating a binary system of frequencies we decode into a virtual reality that is a continuous deciphering that means NOTHING on QF at a time until it is decided into complete 101010101010 ... sub routines .. we recognize as angstroms decibels and the wave pressures Einstein spoke of.
7th.
More more more...
But if you can't verify the accuracy of your claims to any degree at all by any means whatsoever then you cannot actually know what you merely believe
And you cannot verify now because it is over before you can quantify or qualify and individual synapse firing from the 1010101010 that gives it meaning can you? it means NOTHING apart from all those other matter anti matter creations of past and future created by those Quantum Fluctuations.
I'm not going to try to be this guy's psychiatrist, but I did let him know that this thread exists, and I gave him the link to my tweet about it, so that he can see how other people react to this type of insanity.
 
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