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sushil_yadav said:The planet will regenerate after humans are gone but the destruction of Ecosystems, the loss of Biodiversity and millions of species is a big tragedy that could have been easily avoided if humans had lived a simple life.......This planet was home to millions of species not just man alone.......Millions of animal species got decimated and tortured for no fault of theirs.
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Story of Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society.
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A Serial Killer with endless supply of ammunition goes on the rampage in the city.....The Police are informed.....They arrive on the scene.....They do not try to stop or capture the shooter.....They do not try to kill or incapacitate the shooter.....They allow him to continue shooting......They give him full liberty to move around all over the city.
The Police focus on the victims of shooting.....They take them to Hospitals and try to save them with the help of best Technology / Health Care.....The Government sets up thousands of Organizations to do research on how the Whites can be saved, How the Blacks can be saved, How the Asians can be saved, How the Young can be saved, How the Elderly can be saved.....The Government gives Billions of Dollars of Grant to "Think Tanks" and NGO's to find out how the victims can be saved.....People of the city engage in Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument to find a solution to the problem.
This is not the story of the Mass Shooter.....This is the story of Environmentalism in Industrial Society.
Environment is being destroyed by Industrial Activity........Environmental Activists and Organizations are trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity
One group is trying to save Forests......The second group is trying to save Rivers......The third group is trying to save Oceans......The fourth group is trying to make the Air clean......The fifth group is trying to save Tigers and Elephants......The sixth group is trying to save Whales and Dolphins.
Industrial Technology has destroyed environment........Industrial Society is trying to save environment by changing the Technology.
Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology........Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology.
Height of Insanity and Abnormality......This is like trying to save a victim of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by changing the gun.
People who are trying to save environment in Industrial Society without stopping all Industrial Activity deserve the Nobel Prize for Lunacy.
Why don't people realize the futility and absurdity of their efforts......It is impossible to save animals, trees, air, water and land without stopping all Industrial Activity.
What is the point in saving a few Dogs, Cats, Whales, Tigers and Elephants when Industrial Society is killing billions of animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of Wild Animals in Forests by destroying Forests with Industrial Activities like Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks and ever expanding Towns and Cities.......Industrial Society is also killing billions of fish in the oceans with Industrial Fishing and through discharge of billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste into oceans which has made them poisonous, acidic, warmer and created oxygen-deprived dead zones in the oceans.
It is impossible to save Air, water and Land without stopping all Industrial Activity because Industrial Activity is killing them with trillions of tonnes of Metal waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.......Industrial Activity produces trillions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Waste and there are only three places on earth where all this waste can go....Air, water and Soil.....There is no fourth place on earth where this waste can go...... It is impossible for Rivers, Oceans, Atmosphere and Soil to be clean in Industrial Society.
This planet can only sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society......Not an Industrial Society.
Laurens said:I want to ask you something. What are you doing on the internet? Why are you using electricity? I assume if you get sick you'd use some kind of transport to go to the doctors? If industrial society is so bad, why are you participating in it? Why don't you live by your principles and adopt a hunter-gatherer lifestyle? Without doing so, you just sound like an enormous hypocrite...
sushil_yadav said:Laurens said:I want to ask you something. What are you doing on the internet? Why are you using electricity? I assume if you get sick you'd use some kind of transport to go to the doctors? If industrial society is so bad, why are you participating in it? Why don't you live by your principles and adopt a hunter-gatherer lifestyle? Without doing so, you just sound like an enormous hypocrite...
I never claimed that I am not a part of society that is destroying environment.
The title of my article says "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment" and since I am a citizen of Industrial Society I get included automatically.
Computers are being used today because they are being manufactured by Industrial Society.
Was anyone using computers in Hunter_Gatherer Society / Agrarian Society?????
There are billions of people in this world who are not using computers.....Has that saved the environment?????.....It hasn't, because billions of other people are using computers and thousands of other consumer goods and services.
Environment doesn't get saved if a few people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved if a few thousand people live a simple life......It doesn't get saved if a few million people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved even if a few billion people live a simple life [which is happening right now.....Out of 7 billion people roughly half, about 3.5 billion are already living a simple life in Asia, Africa and South America .......but this doesn't save the environment......because the rest 3.5 billion people all over the world are living a highly consumerist life which is enough to destroy all ecosystems.
The entire world has to live a simple life. In animal kingdom all animals lived a simple life.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society all people lived a simple life......In Agrarian Society almost all people lived a simple life.
In a non-industrial society simple living happens automatically....one does not have to make efforts to live a simple life. In a non-industrial society environment gets saved automatically....one does not have to make efforts to save environment.
An Industrial Society produces thousands of consumer goods in addition to food, clothing and shelter.....therefore simple living by entire society is impossible.
There is no industrial society which limits its activity to just food, clothing, shelter and does not produce consumer goods.
If we compare the scale and magnitude of environmental destruction of the three human societies we have had on earth we will find :
Hunter_Gatherer society was least destructive......Agrarian Society was thousands of times more destructive.......Industrial Society is millions of times more destructive.
I never claimed that I am not a part of society that is destroying environment.
The title of my article says "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment" and since I am a citizen of Industrial Society I get included automatically.
Computers are being used today because they are being manufactured by Industrial Society.
Was anyone using computers in Hunter_Gatherer Society / Agrarian Society?????
There are billions of people in this world who are not using computers.....Has that saved the environment?????.....It hasn't, because billions of other people are using computers and thousands of other consumer goods and services.
Environment doesn't get saved if a few people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved if a few thousand people live a simple life......It doesn't get saved if a few million people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved even if a few billion people live a simple life [which is happening right now.....Out of 7 billion people roughly half, about 3.5 billion are already living a simple life in Asia, Africa and South America .......but this doesn't save the environment......because the rest 3.5 billion people all over the world are living a highly consumerist life which is enough to destroy all ecosystems.
The entire world has to live a simple life. In animal kingdom all animals lived a simple life.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society all people lived a simple life......In Agrarian Society almost all people lived a simple life.
Dragan Glas said:Greetings,
sushil_yadav, despite your complaints about the West, might I point out that it is the East that has the issue of over-population, and its associated problems?
China has had to introduce a one-child policy to slow its rate of population growth. There have already been food riots in the countryside that the authorities have failed to keep hidden from the international media.
India also has a huge population - second only to China.
James
Laurens said:Environment doesn't get saved if a few people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved if a few thousand people live a simple life......It doesn't get saved if a few million people live a simple life.....It doesn't get saved even if a few billion people live a simple life [which is happening right now.....Out of 7 billion people roughly half, about 3.5 billion are already living a simple life in Asia, Africa and South America .......but this doesn't save the environment......because the rest 3.5 billion people all over the world are living a highly consumerist life which is enough to destroy all ecosystems.
The entire world has to live a simple life. In animal kingdom all animals lived a simple life.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society all people lived a simple life......In Agrarian Society almost all people lived a simple life.
What is the point in even thinking this? How do you suppose we get everyone to revert to a hunter gatherer lifestyle? You might as well argue that the best thing for society is for humans to stop breathing oxygen... Its not going to happen, so why entertain the fantasy?
sushil_yadav said:Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable.
A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.
CosmicJoghurt said:sushil,
If you want any kind of credibility over here, you'll have to answer our criticism to your posts.
And not just copy pasting the same bullshit on this and other forums::
http://thetaobums.com/user/19696-sushil-yadav/page__tab__posts
EDIT: Another one
http://old.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=4078&start=105&sid=337aa5a8eef0d563e9ac78a250d92e38
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sushil_yadav said:I want to share my article with members of "League of Reason Forums". I would like to inform the moderators that I have also posted my article in other forums and blogs relevant to the article/ related to keywords in the article. You are requested to kindly read.
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Please note : I was not able to post the complete article here since it exceeded the maximum limit. To read the remaiining part of article please follow any of these links :
http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2915
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1796
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=145350
Dragan Glas said:Our industrial society will change to a "green" society - thus retaining "hi-tech" industries, whilst changing the impact on the environment.
CosmicJoghurt said:...... without offering any sort of solution .