I left the church today.

[WarK]

Yes, Christian is a very common scandinavian name, and my atheist parent named me it.. Ironic.. XD

yeah, my catholic parents gave me 2 names that stem from Mars the pagan god

 

[sgrunterundt]

Yes, Christian is a very common scandinavian name, and my atheist parent named me it.. Ironic.. XD

yeah, my catholic parents gave me 2 names that stem from Mars the pagan god

I'm curious. Mind telling what they are?

 

[Andiferous]

Yes, Christian is a very common scandinavian name, and my atheist parent named me it.. Ironic.. XD

yeah, my catholic parents gave me 2 names that stem from Mars the pagan god

Well mine represents every biblical archetype of my sex in existence.

Tylzen: I'm glad you left a church that would force your donations; however, do atheist donations go to worthy causes (like soup kitchens and the like - or just manic depressive transit advertising). If not, I'd just save my money.

 

[Tylzen]

Right now they are fighting for secular burial sites, but I do not think the Atheist Society is actively donating to good causes, that I am aware of.

 

[Shaedys]

Right now they are fighting for secular burial sites, but I do not think the Atheist Society is actively donating to good causes, that I am aware of.

You get to make that choice on your own.

 

[Andiferous]

Right now they are fighting for secular burial sites, but I do not think the Atheist Society is actively donating to good causes, that I am aware of.

You get to make that choice on your own.

That sounds so silly heh
1) A dead atheist is dead, or generally considered so by their own ideological estimation; so why would it matter where their hollow body decomposes?
2) Where do suicides go? Doukhobor ground?
3) In land-strapped places graves are rotated every few years anyway.
4) Funerals and stuff are usually said to be for the not dead people anyway.
5) What a silly cause to put money into hehe
6) chances are that at some point we'll all be posthumously baptised mormon anyway

Not saying to you Tylzen; just wow!

 

[Dora]

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That sounds so silly heh
1) A dead atheist is dead, or generally considered so by their own ideological estimation; so why would it matter where their hollow body decomposes?
2) Where do suicides go? Doukhobor ground?
3) In land-strapped places graves are rotated every few years anyway.
4) Funerals and stuff are usually said to be for the not dead people anyway.
5) What a silly cause to put money into hehe
6) chances are that at some point we'll all be posthumously baptised mormon anyway

Not saying to you Tylzen; just wow!

Not saying that I disagree with the silly remark and it might be slightly different in Denmark but :

1. health-reasons, you can't just burry dead people wherever you want
2. Depends, in Belgium if the graveyard is considered to be affiliated with a certain religion, that religion can deny you access to that graveyard (even when you are dead). We already have secular graveyards to indeed be able to burry people that are somehow no longer connected to a religion
3. In Belgium, you actually lease the grave for a certain amount of time, after that your family can either decide to prolong the lease or indeed have your grave replaced by somebody elses.
4. True, I think that mourning the dead is something that we all do, even if we are not religious, saying your goodbyes and moving on is very important to a lot of people. No need to add aggravation to this just because you are not allowed to be burried in a religious graveyard for some silly reason.
5. I remember the pain and hurt it caused my parents when the priest refused to baptize my babybrother (born prematurely at 5 months) and subsequently burry him at the Catholic graveyard because in his opinion he did not have a soul yet. I am strongly for removing this sort of biases/grievances in a situation that is already painful and do not see it as a silly cause to put your money in
6. Since I'm planning to be cremated (After doctors have removed bits they can still use) I wonder how they are going to pull that off

 

[Andiferous]

I'm glad you agree about the silly because I really could go on endlessly :lol: Don't you see irony in people donating to a cause to campaign to have their soul put in unconsecrated ground? And there must be a place somewhere for those unbaptized heathens because I'm sure that the human population has been statistically overrunby them for generations... Where do the other bodies go? And why do we care?

We have the same health and safety corpse standards here too, I've buried a few illegal hamsters lately in the garden.

Just pointing out there are more useful charities for monetary donation; and atheist should properly fit into the category of humanist, and not some coy anti-theist lodge group with selective clientelle.

 

[Tylzen]

It cannot see why it is that silly, in Denmark, if you are non-believer you still have to be buried at a church.
And I cannot see why religion should have monopoly on places for people to mourn their lost ones.
They of course do fight for a more secular Denmark ,we do after all still have state church, god in our constitution, etc.
The humanist society is more the humanitarian branch of the atheists in Denmark.
While the atheist society is the more political activist.

 

[Andiferous]

Wow. This is a fascinating topic that I've put little consideration toward in the past. I don't want to look like I argue for the sake of doing so - but I still disagree with the premise, and don't want to disrespect you by taking over a personal thread. I'm sorry Tylz.

 

[Dora]

I'm glad you agree about the silly because I really could go on endlessly :lol: Don't you see irony in people donating to a cause to campaign to have their soul put in unconsecrated ground? And there must be a place somewhere for those unbaptized heathens because I'm sure that the human population has been statistically overrunby them for generations... Where do the other bodies go? And why do we care?

We have the same health and safety corpse standards here too, I've buried a few illegal hamsters lately in the garden.

Just pointing out there are more useful charities for monetary donation; and atheist should properly fit into the category of humanist, and not some coy anti-theist lodge group with selective clientelle.

Agreed, but my point 4 still stands, even those that do not believe in an afterlife / souls still need to be able to mourn/remember their dead, that is why we care.

It is not about the soul thing imo but about having something tangible, since, eventually, after one dies, the ones you have left behind will only have memories.
Giving people the possibility to mourn and remember their dead in the way they want to is in my opinion a very humane thing to do.
So I really disagree with your irony statement.

And funnily enough, eventhough I am, where does it say that not believing in god/s automatically fits me into the humanist box?

I am not denying that compared to other secular charities it seems to be a minor issue but imo one that is necessary.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

I think Denmark atheists are right to go for this cause, as the church there plays monopoly on the burial grounds (as I understand from Tylzen), even demanding that non-believers must also be buried in church burial grounds. I for one would not like myself to be associated with any kind of religion, even posthumously.

 

[Andiferous]

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4. True, I think that mourning the dead is something that we all do, even if we are not religious, saying your goodbyes and moving on is very important to a lot of people. No need to add aggravation to this just because you are not allowed to be burried in a religious graveyard for some silly reason.

...Yes... I didn't want to touch this one because the idea seems complex. I mean; if funerals and graves and such are for the living, why does it matter where the dead are burried and which religion the best believed? I think death seems to cross boundaries.

That said, it seems that everyone should have "equal opportunity" to be burried with anyone else, but I'm not really thrilled with this argument. Funerals, graves and cemetaries could be said to be a religious ritual. I mean, we could be thrown into the Atlantic, burned in a rowboat, Or tossed on a pire. We might even cannibalise each other. So... why do we want to do the ritual thing - and why does it matter if your mom pretends you are Catholic after death? Feels a bit like baggage to me.

 

[WarK]

yeah, my catholic parents gave me 2 names that stem from Mars the pagan god

I'm curious. Mind telling what they are?

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/1/mars

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

4. True, I think that mourning the dead is something that we all do, even if we are not religious, saying your goodbyes and moving on is very important to a lot of people. No need to add aggravation to this just because you are not allowed to be burried in a religious graveyard for some silly reason.

...Yes... I didn't want to touch this one because the idea seems complex. I mean; if funerals and graves and such are for the living, why does it matter where the dead are burried and which religion the best believed? I think death seems to cross boundaries.

That said, it seems that everyone should have "equal opportunity" to be burried with anyone else, but I'm not really thrilled with this argument. Funerals, graves and cemetaries could be said to be a religious ritual. I mean, we could be thrown into the Atlantic, burned in a rowboat, Or tossed on a pire. We might even cannibalise each other. So... why do we want to do the ritual thing - and why does it matter if your mom pretends you are Catholic after death? Feels a bit like baggage to me.[/quote]

In an unrelated note:
My will specifically requests that I be lit aflame ass-naked and fired out of a trebouchet into the sunset.
In the event this cannot be maintained, however, I humbly request that I just have my ashes spread into the Sea.

 

[Salphen]

I don't really care what happens to me after I'm dead. Maybe I'll donate myself to science!

 

[Tylzen]

I was more thinking of the relatives still alive, that they have to go to a certain religion to mourn their loved ones.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

I was more thinking of the relatives still alive, that they have to go to a certain religion to mourn their loved ones.

Why would anyone have to go to a certain religion to mourn their loved ones? If they want to do so, that's a different issue, but they don't have to. They can mourn the death of someone without making it a religious ceremony. They can mourn secularly, if they choose to do so.

 

[Tylzen]

I was more thinking of the relatives still alive, that they have to go to a certain religion to mourn their loved ones.

Why would anyone have to go to a certain religion to mourn their loved ones? If they want to do so, that's a different issue, but they don't have to. They can mourn the death of someone without making it a religious ceremony. They can mourn secularly, if they choose to do so.

What I mean is in Denmark, you'll have to go to a church to get to your loved ones remains.
Because there are no secular burial places.
Of course they do not have to make a religious ritual out of it, it just seems weird that a particular religion has dibs on all non-religious' remains.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

What I mean is in Denmark, you'll have to go to a church to get to your loved ones remains.
Because there are no secular burial places.
Of course they do not have to make a religious ritual out of it, it just seems weird that a particular religion has dibs on all non-religious' remains.

I had a feeling I might be misunderstanding you. Sorry for that. Yea it seems that Denmark isn't very secular. It seems like a very religious country (as in, no separation of church and state).