I DARE ANY atheists answer my simple Question !!!!

[borrofburi]

Are you being deliberately deceitful?

I can't decide, it might just be that so much is lost in google translation that he's just severely confused. Let this be a lesson to us all that we should not try to argue through the medium of google translate. S e e i f y o u t y p e l i k e t h i s h e w i l l n o t r e s p o n d b e c a u s e g o o g l e t r a n s l a t e c a n n o t r e a d i t. Thanks, of course to scaly blue for pointing this likelihood out, I at least think it's a rather plausible theory. At the very least we know english is not his first language and he's note very good at it. He some how also thinks that if a dictionary, no matter how poor, says it, that's dictates to us what our own language means...

 

[Ozymandyus]

Whoa, how on earth is this discussion 14 pages wrong? Why argue with someone that is working from a misunderstanding and obviously can't be corrected?

I disbelieve God. There is no evidence supporting a belief in god, which is the same as my grounds for disbelieving any crackpot theory. That disbelief makes me an atheist. End of story.

And that's all I have to say, about that.

 

[nasher168]

I A M A N A T H E I S T. Y O U H A V E Y O U R D E F I N I T I O N W R O N G. I T H I N K T H E Q U R A N I S T H E W O R K O F P R I M I T I V E D E S E R T D W E L L E R S W H O K N E W F U C K A L L A B O U T A N Y T H I N G.
Respond. :lol:
We can aslo tlak lkie tihs if we wnat to. Jsut siwcth aurond the lteters in the wrod eecpxt the frist and lsat. Tihs wlil fool his tarnaslotr equllay wlel, but we can siltl raed it.

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Here's a demonstration for you. Look at this list:

A,b,c,D,e

Now, how far apart are the capital letters?

The answer is 3. The capital letters are 3 letters apart, not 4. If you can understand this, then you can understand why the verses are 18 apart and not 19.

what a fallacy argument !! and completely Absurd !! it seems i will teach some one in grade 1 . but don't worry kid i will number it for you to make it easy for you . From the missing Basmalah ( the missing formula) of chapter 9 to the extra Basmalah of chapter 27, there are precisely 19 chapters.


verse : 9 ---number 1 [ The formula is missing]

verse : 10 --- number 2

verse : 11----number 3

verse: 12----number 4

verse:13-----number 5

verse : 14----number 6

verse : 15---number 7

verse : 16-----number 8

verse: 17-----number 9

verse : 18-----number 10

verse : 19 -----number 11

verse : 20 -----number 12

verse: 21-----number 13

verse: 22----number 14

verse: 23------number 15

verse: 24-----number 16

verse: 25----number 17

verse: 26 -----number 18

verse : 27-----number 19 [ here is the missing formula]

-------------

now Mr. atheist ( who didn't have certificate in grade 1) HOW MANY VERSES ARE MENTIONED ????

A ) 18

B) 19

And yet using the dates I supplied earlier, the average is not 76.0. I've demonstrated that the average is not 76.0. If you have additional dates, please provide them. If you're right, you have nothing to fear to find out the dates and do a simple calculation.

sorry dude i'm only follow the Statistics :mrgreen:

Is this actually a prophecy, or just a verse that when taken out of context sounds like a prophecy? For a prophecy to work it depends on the time being 54:01, which is what the video claims. The official source gives the time as 54:00, where did the video get the extra second? Maybe it took a second to lift off, or maybe two, or maybe five. Unless you can justify a single second with some evidence, the official time of 54:00 is the only time we can verify.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1969-059C

"The LM lifted off from the Moon at 17:54:01 UT on 21 July after 21 hours, 36 minutes on the lunar surface. After docking with the CSM, piloted by Michael Collins, at 21:34:00 UT, the LM was jettisoned into lunar orbit at 00:01:01 UT on 22 July. The fate of the LM is not known, but it is assumed that it crashed into the lunar surface sometime within the following 1 to 4 months."~The National Aeronautics and Space Administration NASA.

and from this verse [ The Hour [has drawn near] and the moon has split. 54:1] to the end of the quran there are 1389 verses .

Islamic Calender Hijri: 1390, Gregorian: 1969

and it can be calculated in different manner !!!

Translated : The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split. (Qur'an, 54:1)

Now we will gonna use the table

HOW DID THAT HAPPENED ????

Here's a list of facts about the Quran http://www.scribd.com/doc/10553824/Facts-About-Holy-Quran
Number of words: 77,701. Not divisible by 19
Number of verses: 6,666. Not divisible by 19
Number of times the word 'Quran' is used: 70. Not divisible by 19

It goes on, but you get my point.

If you still want one argument against an intelligent designer, I put forward the human knee. It's poorly designed, prone to injury, and any subsequent injury is crippling. A designer that made it was either negligent, or wanted it to fail.

you quote me the wrong information !!! WHO TOLD THERE ARE 6666 verses in the quran ????

first of all , The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334.
[6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses
(Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.

second thing *The word "Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times. maybe he count the synonyms of the word quran ! because there are synonyms for the word quran but the fact is THE QURAN it self is mentioned 57 .


Test this miracle by your own eyes !!!

1) DOWNLOAD Google Chrome

2) PASTE THIS LINK IN THE Address bar

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

3) go to chapter Qaf ( Ù‚ ) it's in the 50th chapter . Qaf ( Ù‚ ) is letter in Arab !

4) click on CTRL + F

5) THEN TYPE Ù‚ or copy this letter Ù‚

6) THE LETTER Qaf Ù‚ IS REPATED IN THE THIS CHAPTER 57 TIMES . IN THE BAR IT'S WRITTEN 58 BECAUSE HE COUNTED THE TITLE [ CHAPTER Ù‚ ]

19*3 =57

I have no belief in a deity. I do not deny the existence of anything, so if you wish to tell me that I am not an atheist then you can go and find a word that applies. I don't much care for semantics, I have no belief in a deity and you can call that teapotism if you so wish, the position will remain the same regardless of how you choose to define atheism.

still this your own conjecture ! you have to provide some source evidence as i brought from http://dictionary.reference.com/

Now to your statement of value. You suggest atheism is worse than agnosticism. What do you mean by worse? I cannot see how one could refer to a position such as this with a value judgement in that manner.

according to ( url]http://dictionary.reference.com/[/url] ) it says that agnostic doesn't deny the existence of god .Whilst, atheism DENY the existence of god . the only difference is "D.E.N.Y." all what i asked for is to prove your ID that's all .

According to http://www.islamtutor.com/basics.php?p=what-is-allah "Allah is omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent"


A (1): Allah exists.
A (1a): Allah is omniscient.
A (1b): Allah is omnipotent.
A (1c): Allah is omnibenevolent.
A (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be Allah, as it would be possible to perceive of a greater being.
P (2): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering exists.
P (3): An omniscient being would be aware of the existence of gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (4): An omnipotent being would be able to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (5): An omnibenevolent being would desire to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
C (6): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
C: But gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does exist. (from (2))
C (7): There is no being that is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
C (8): Allah does not exist. (from (7),(1d))

A muslim is someone who believes in [??????], madness!!!!. Oh and btw, the definition of Allah is not my problem - I found it on the 'net so it must be right.

What heresy you start to bring OFF TOPICS Mr.atheist why don't you disprove what i post before it took me days to write it . but according to your standard if is that true then it would be heresy for high priest in Islam those who have Ph.D and masters in Islamic theology that didn't know that allah didn't exist in the attribute of god . you make me laugh but don't worry i know the atheists are irrational to think but i will disprove it . JUST WAIT.......

206 is not 209.

210 is not 209.

someone change it !!! it was written (4 or 5) now the they remove 5 !!! why in the world they change the information ???? they are dishonest . but the fact is they say ...

"A typical adult human skeleton consists of 206 bones. Anatomical variation may also result in the formation of more or fewer bones. "

this is in the adult 206 . it seems i will do more research on it . still there is fabrication Wikipedia they are dishonest first they write ( 4 or 5) and then they change it .

No.....YOU tried to change the meaning, and the thesaurus you've used is very bad. Try finding a proper one next time.

this is from your country sir ! this is from UK . Tell them this is W.E.A.K. thesaurus and then they will give you a good teaching in the English language . it would be heresy if you tell them this is "W.E.A.K. thesaurus" .

The list you've written isn't on the page you linked to,........so where is it?

On the page you've linked to there's only one mention of atheism or agnosticism, and it's under Uruguay.
All the other countries on the list use the term "none" to describe people WHO DON'T HAVE A FAITH.

Are you being deliberately deceitful?

it's written but you are blind it's written as the total !! The total of the entire religions of the world including atheism . go check it next time .
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2122.html

The Nile was just the same in Mohammed's time, so it would have been common knowledge, especially as at that time the Nile would have been the most famous river in the world.

first of all , if you study oceanography you won't do this simple mistake .


" Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea hasit own temperature, salinity and density. "~Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.

This phenomenon happens in several places, including the divider between the Mediteranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. But when the QUR'AN speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the exisence of ' a forbidding partition' with the barrier.


"It is HE WHO has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has HE Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed. [AL-QUR'AN 25:53]

Science has revealed that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places where two seas meet. It has been revealed that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuarie is a

"pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers." {Oceanography, Gross, p.242. Also see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301 ; Oceanography, Gross, p. 244 and Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp.300-301}

"I swear, that this Qu'oran, from which the modern science lags behind on 1400 years, cannot be speech of the, person. It is true speech of Almighty"~Jacques-Yves Cousteau.

this is from Jacque Cousteau

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

Whoa, how on earth is this discussion 14 pages wrong? Why argue with someone that is working from a misunderstanding and obviously can't be corrected?

I disbelieve God. There is no evidence supporting a belief in god, which is the same as my grounds for disbelieving any crackpot theory. That disbelief makes me an atheist. End of story.

And that's all I have to say, about that.

what a heresy ! ANSWER IT IF YOU DARE

Q) how do you know your logic exists?? PROVE IT SCIENTIFICALLY and illustrate in diagram ! and SHOW ME the pictures (^_^) !

 

[borrofburi]

heresy

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

 

[Waza-Minooo44]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

okay i will change it .

 

[Ozymandyus]

what a heresy ! ANSWER IT IF YOU DARE

Q) how do you know your logic exists?? PROVE IT SCIENTIFICALLY and illustrate in diagram ! and SHOW ME the pictures (^_^) !

What a silly question. What do you even mean by 'exists'? Logic is a mathematical tool invented by humans, it has no existence as such. If what you mean is how do I know the scientific process is correct and useful: I know because I have evidence that when the scientific process is used to examine the world, it comes up with theories that we can use to build things that work here in reality.

Much unlike when people use prayer and it doesn't do anything here in reality, which is evidence AGAINST the hypothesis that there is a God that cares about us and can hear our prayers.

But again, you obviously cannot be swayed by reason or evidence, so this is all I have to say to you: you have been deceived, and I am sorry for you. I have hope you can find something useful and meaningful to do in this life despite the fact that your worldview is founded on falsehoods. Good luck to you.

 

[Nogre]

Ignored by the troll again... :facepalm: I guess that means I win and that atheism is right, since he can't answer my argument.

 

[nemesiss]

Here's a list of facts about the Quran http://www.scribd.com/doc/10553824/Facts-About-Holy-Quran
Number of words: 77,701. Not divisible by 19
Number of verses: 6,666. Not divisible by 19
Number of times the word 'Quran' is used: 70. Not divisible by 19

It goes on, but you get my point.

If you still want one argument against an intelligent designer, I put forward the human knee. It's poorly designed, prone to injury, and any subsequent injury is crippling. A designer that made it was either negligent, or wanted it to fail.

you quote me the wrong information !!! WHO TOLD THERE ARE 6666 verses in the quran ????

first of all , The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334.
[6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses
(Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.

well, this is what internet has to say for that argument:

"The actual number of ayat has been a controversial issue among Muslim scholars since Islam's inception, some recognizing 6,000, some 6,204, some 6,219, and some 6,236, although the words in all cases are the same. The most popular edition of the Qur'an, which is based on the Kufa school tradition, contains 6,236 ayat"

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an
with ayat meaning "verse"....

we got 4 different numbers, all which are not 6346.
6000%19=15
6204%19=10
6219%19=6
6236%19=4

second thing *The word "Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times. maybe he count the synonyms of the word quran ! because there are synonyms for the word quran but the fact is THE QURAN it self is mentioned 57 .
Test this miracle by your own eyes !!!

1) DOWNLOAD Google Chrome
2) PASTE THIS LINK IN THE Address bar
http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
3) go to chapter Qaf ( Ù‚ ) it's in the 50th chapter . Qaf ( Ù‚ ) is letter in Arab !

4) click on CTRL + F

5) THEN TYPE Ù‚ or copy this letter Ù‚

6) THE LETTER Qaf Ù‚ IS REPATED IN THE THIS CHAPTER 57 TIMES . IN THE BAR IT'S WRITTEN 58 BECAUSE HE COUNTED THE TITLE [ CHAPTER Ù‚ ]

19*3 =57

then the Quran counts 58.
The title is also part of the book.
guess even your god makes mistakes.

According to http://www.islamtutor.com/basics.php?p=what-is-allah "Allah is omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent"


A (1): Allah exists.
A (1a): Allah is omniscient.
A (1b): Allah is omnipotent.
A (1c): Allah is omnibenevolent.
A (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be Allah, as it would be possible to perceive of a greater being.
P (2): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering exists.
P (3): An omniscient being would be aware of the existence of gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (4): An omnipotent being would be able to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (5): An omnibenevolent being would desire to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
C (6): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
C: But gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does exist. (from (2))
C (7): There is no being that is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
C (8): Allah does not exist. (from (7),(1d))

A muslim is someone who believes in [??????], madness!!!!. Oh and btw, the definition of Allah is not my problem - I found it on the 'net so it must be right.

What heresy you start to bring OFF TOPICS Mr.atheist why don't you disprove what i post before it took me days to write it . but according to your standard if is that true then it would be heresy for high priest in Islam those who have Ph.D and masters in Islamic theology that didn't know that allah didn't exist in the attribute of god . you make me laugh but don't worry i know the atheists are irrational to think but i will disprove it . JUST WAIT.......

you call it heresy, i'd say its an argument why someone doesn't believe in a god because it doesn't make any sense that there is so much "suffering" in this world with a all-loving, all powerful god.

206 is not 209.
210 is not 209.

someone change it !!! it was written (4 or 5) now the they remove 5 !!! why in the world they change the information ???? they are dishonest . but the fact is they say ...

"A typical adult human skeleton consists of 206 bones. Anatomical variation may also result in the formation of more or fewer bones. "

this is in the adult 206 . it seems i will do more research on it . still there is fabrication Wikipedia they are dishonest first they write ( 4 or 5) and then they change it .

so i did a google search on "how many bones in human body"
all come up with 206, without the whole "4-5 thing"
you sound more like a conspiracy theorist

The Nile was just the same in Mohammed's time, so it would have been common knowledge, especially as at that time the Nile would have been the most famous river in the world.

first of all , if you study oceanography you won't do this simple mistake .


" Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea hasit own temperature, salinity and density. "~Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.

and with "modern science" you mean something thats been known for about 2000 years?

"I swear, that this Qu'oran, from which the modern science lags behind on 1400 years, cannot be speech of the, person. It is true speech of Almighty"~Jacques-Yves Cousteau.

this is from Jacque Cousteau

sure...

the person in the video looks identica [/sarcasm]

 

[TheFearmonger]

Here's a demonstration for you. Look at this list:

A,b,c,D,e

Now, how far apart are the capital letters?

The answer is 3. The capital letters are 3 letters apart, not 4. If you can understand this, then you can understand why the verses are 18 apart and not 19.

what a fallacy argument !! and completely Absurd !! it seems i will teach some one in grade 1 . but don't worry kid i will number it for you to make it easy for you . From the missing Basmalah ( the missing formula) of chapter 9 to the extra Basmalah of chapter 27, there are precisely 19 chapters.


verse : 9 ---number 1 [ The formula is missing]

verse : 10 --- number 2

verse : 11----number 3

verse: 12----number 4

verse:13-----number 5

verse : 14----number 6

verse : 15---number 7

verse : 16-----number 8

verse: 17-----number 9

verse : 18-----number 10

verse : 19 -----number 11

verse : 20 -----number 12

verse: 21-----number 13

verse: 22----number 14

verse: 23------number 15

verse: 24-----number 16

verse: 25----number 17

verse: 26 -----number 18

verse : 27-----number 19 [ here is the missing formula]

-------------
ok... -.- so... you cannot count. Ok. Just for reference, you count the first one as zero, not one... Also, do you know what fallacy means?

now Mr. atheist ( who didn't have certificate in grade 1) HOW MANY VERSES ARE MENTIONED ????
A ) 18

B) 19

And yet using the dates I supplied earlier, the average is not 76.0. I've demonstrated that the average is not 76.0. If you have additional dates, please provide them. If you're right, you have nothing to fear to find out the dates and do a simple calculation.

sorry dude i'm only follow the Statistics :mrgreen:

on that note, have you seen kent hovind's statistics? They are quite compelling.

Is this actually a prophecy, or just a verse that when taken out of context sounds like a prophecy? For a prophecy to work it depends on the time being 54:01, which is what the video claims. The official source gives the time as 54:00, where did the video get the extra second? Maybe it took a second to lift off, or maybe two, or maybe five. Unless you can justify a single second with some evidence, the official time of 54:00 is the only time we can verify.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1969-059C

"The LM lifted off from the Moon at 17:54:01 UT on 21 July after 21 hours, 36 minutes on the lunar surface. After docking with the CSM, piloted by Michael Collins, at 21:34:00 UT, the LM was jettisoned into lunar orbit at 00:01:01 UT on 22 July. The fate of the LM is not known, but it is assumed that it crashed into the lunar surface sometime within the following 1 to 4 months."~The National Aeronautics and Space Administration NASA.

and from this verse [ The Hour [has drawn near] and the moon has split. 54:1] to the end of the quran there are 1389 verses .

Islamic Calender Hijri: 1390, Gregorian: 1969

and it can be calculated in different manner !!!

Translated : The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split. (Qur'an, 54:1)

Now we will gonna use the table

HOW DID THAT HAPPENED ????

I could barely struggle through this. However, I assume you think the moon is cut in two, but I would like to point out a small mistake in that...

Here's a list of facts about the Quran http://www.scribd.com/doc/10553824/Facts-About-Holy-Quran
Number of words: 77,701. Not divisible by 19
Number of verses: 6,666. Not divisible by 19
Number of times the word 'Quran' is used: 70. Not divisible by 19

It goes on, but you get my point.

If you still want one argument against an intelligent designer, I put forward the human knee. It's poorly designed, prone to injury, and any subsequent injury is crippling. A designer that made it was either negligent, or wanted it to fail.

you quote me the wrong information !!! WHO TOLD THERE ARE 6666 verses in the quran ????

first of all , The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334.
[6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses
(Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.

second thing *The word "Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times. maybe he count the synonyms of the word quran ! because there are synonyms for the word quran but the fact is THE QURAN it self is mentioned 57 .


Test this miracle by your own eyes !!!

1) DOWNLOAD Google Chrome

2) PASTE THIS LINK IN THE Address bar

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

3) go to chapter Qaf ( Ù‚ ) it's in the 50th chapter . Qaf ( Ù‚ ) is letter in Arab !

4) click on CTRL + F

5) THEN TYPE Ù‚ or copy this letter Ù‚

6) THE LETTER Qaf Ù‚ IS REPATED IN THE THIS CHAPTER 57 TIMES . IN THE BAR IT'S WRITTEN 58 BECAUSE HE COUNTED THE TITLE [ CHAPTER Ù‚ ]

19*3 =57

Have you seen the movie 23? It does this same shit with numbers. Your problem, see, and the reason that we are dismissing you, is that you use inductive thought. You start with the conclusion; the quran is right. Then, you find evidence that supports this, and ignore everything else. We start with facts, and then make a conclusion that makes sense.

I have no belief in a deity. I do not deny the existence of anything, so if you wish to tell me that I am not an atheist then you can go and find a word that applies. I don't much care for semantics, I have no belief in a deity and you can call that teapotism if you so wish, the position will remain the same regardless of how you choose to define atheism.

still this your own conjecture ! you have to provide some source evidence as i brought from http://dictionary.reference.com/

Now to your statement of value. You suggest atheism is worse than agnosticism. What do you mean by worse? I cannot see how one could refer to a position such as this with a value judgement in that manner.

according to ( url]http://dictionary.reference.com/[/url] ) it says that agnostic doesn't deny the existence of god .Whilst, atheism DENY the existence of god . the only difference is "D.E.N.Y." all what i asked for is to prove your ID that's all .

According to http://www.islamtutor.com/basics.php?p=what-is-allah "Allah is omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent"


A (1): Allah exists.
A (1a): Allah is omniscient.
A (1b): Allah is omnipotent.
A (1c): Allah is omnibenevolent.
A (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be Allah, as it would be possible to perceive of a greater being.
P (2): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering exists.
P (3): An omniscient being would be aware of the existence of gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (4): An omnipotent being would be able to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (5): An omnibenevolent being would desire to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
C (6): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
C: But gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does exist. (from (2))
C (7): There is no being that is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
C (8): Allah does not exist. (from (7),(1d))

A muslim is someone who believes in [??????], madness!!!!. Oh and btw, the definition of Allah is not my problem - I found it on the 'net so it must be right.

What heresy you start to bring OFF TOPICS Mr.atheist why don't you disprove what i post before it took me days to write it . but according to your standard if is that true then it would be heresy for high priest in Islam those who have Ph.D and masters in Islamic theology that didn't know that allah didn't exist in the attribute of god . you make me laugh but don't worry i know the atheists are irrational to think but i will disprove it . JUST WAIT.......

yes, Aught, just wait... while he denies reality itself. Just hold on...

206 is not 209.

210 is not 209.

someone change it !!! it was written (4 or 5) now the they remove 5 !!! why in the world they change the information ???? they are dishonest . but the fact is they say ...

"A typical adult human skeleton consists of 206 bones. Anatomical variation may also result in the formation of more or fewer bones. "

this is in the adult 206 . it seems i will do more research on it . still there is fabrication Wikipedia they are dishonest first they write ( 4 or 5) and then they change it .

:facepalm: way to miss the point. Just because their is some possible way in which there is a possibility to maybe get a number, that doesn't mean you assume the number. Again, inductive versus deductive approach here...

No.....YOU tried to change the meaning, and the thesaurus you've used is very bad. Try finding a proper one next time.

this is from your country sir ! this is from UK . Tell them this is W.E.A.K. thesaurus and then they will give you a good teaching in the English language . it would be heresy if you tell them this is "W.E.A.K. thesaurus" .

No. Heresy exists only with religious fundamentals. And just because there is a thesaurus, doesn't mean it's automatically right. Any info source can be wrong. Look at conservapedia.

something about water

i don't want to read all this, but have you ever thought that the primitive tribe people who wrote this might have noticed this?

I swear, that this Qu'oran, from which the modern science lags behind on 1400 years, cannot be speech of the, person. It i[s true speech of Almighty"~Jacques-Yves Cousteau.

this is from Jacque Cousteau

So, this man knows the truth to all things? Ask him what 42 means, then.

In short, this goes a long way to showing the destuctive power of religion on reason. This also shows confirmation bias in a huge way. Christians pull this same shit with the numbers in them, and the supposed miracles and whatever in their book. Using vauge words, and then making them mean something, is dishonest. Please try to refrain from it in the future.

Also, about the atheism thing: or means one or the other, not both. If you do not know this, combined with your lack of ability to count, you need to go back to kiddie school. Good luck, and you need any help with the homework, don't hesitate to ask. There are some smart people in this forum, and I'm sure at least one can help.

 

[Aught3]

According to http://www.islamtutor.com/basics.php?p=what-is-allah "Allah is omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent"


A (1): Allah exists.
A (1a): Allah is omniscient.
A (1b): Allah is omnipotent.
A (1c): Allah is omnibenevolent.
A (1d): Any being that did not possess all three of the above properties would not be Allah, as it would be possible to perceive of a greater being.
P (2): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering exists.
P (3): An omniscient being would be aware of the existence of gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (4): An omnipotent being would be able to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
P (5): An omnibenevolent being would desire to eliminate gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering.
C (6): Gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does not exist. (from (1),(3),(4),(5))
C: But gratuitous, naturally-caused suffering does exist. (from (2))
C (7): There is no being that is omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent. (from (2),(3),(4),(5))
C (8): Allah does not exist. (from (7),(1d))

A muslim is someone who believes in [??????], madness!!!!. Oh and btw, the definition of Allah is not my problem - I found it on the 'net so it must be right.

What heresy you start to bring OFF TOPICS Mr.atheist why don't you disprove what i post before it took me days to write it . but according to your standard if is that true then it would be heresy for high priest in Islam those who have Ph.D and masters in Islamic theology that didn't know that allah didn't exist in the attribute of god . you make me laugh but don't worry i know the atheists are irrational to think but i will disprove it . JUST WAIT.......

I think proving Allah does not exist is very relevant to this topic. Btw Allah is also the creator so this argument disproves an intelligent creator god answering your initial question completely. A fallacious appeal to authority is not a satisfactory response. Answer my challenge if you DARE!!!!

Q) how do you know your logic exists?? PROVE IT SCIENTIFICALLY and illustrate in diagram ! and SHOW ME the pictures (^_^) !

Logic has been a shared assumption by both sides since the beginning of the thread, if logic does not exist you cannot prove your god exists and we are justified in calling ourselves atheists.

 

[Beldin]

dudes

he is obiovsly a person that doesn't knows anything about science and logic: he simply cut and paste from different creationist sites

 

[nemesiss]

dudes

he is obiovsly a person that doesn't knows anything about science and logic: he simply cut and paste from different creationist sites

ah man... thats just mean!





for the troll that is, to be compaired to Waza

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Waza-Minooo44, with all due respect, this is a pointless discussion.

The existence (or not) of God is "undecidable" - no-one can prove or disprove the existence of God.

One can only believe or not believe - that is why it's "a matter of faith".

To "not believe" is not to "oppose" God.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Waht is his natvie lnagague do you thnik? Poor batsard msut sepak smoethnig. It wulod be fnnuy to ctach him offgaurd lkie taht. xD

 

[darthrender2010]

Waht is his natvie lnagague do you thnik? Poor batsard msut sepak smoethnig. It wulod be fnnuy to ctach him offgaurd lkie taht. xD

If I recall correctly it's Arabic

 

[scalyblue]

eye tihnx taht dis izz hyliarouse. i w o n d e r i f h e w i l l t r y t h e n u m e r o l o g y f a i l a g a i n m a y b e f i n d s o m e o n e f r o m a c a r a c c i d e n t w h o h a s t w o h u n d r e d n i n e b o n e s

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

مرحبا بكم.
أنت لا تعرف لغتنا. فأنت جديدة.
أنا آسف. وأنا حديثا نسبيا على جهودكم باللهجة. رجاء يغفر لي.

أرجو منكم في البحث عن الحقائق أولا. لا تخلف.

:]
I hpoe he gets the mssegae.

 

[Gnug215]

Welcome back, Waza-Minooo44


You ignored my last post - or didn't understand it.
It is essential that you read and acknowledge it, so I will repeat it here for you:

How many times do we have to tell you that you can't prove a negative?

well it's not my problem negative or without negative . you call your self atheist ( Deny the existence of intelligence design being ) so all what i asked for one argument . if you can't then stay quite :mrgreen:

First of all, not your problem, negative or without negative? Could you perhaps try to make more sense and re-word this?

Look, it's very simple: If I tell you that I don't believe in ghosts, then tell me how I'm supposed to prove that?
That's what being asked to prove a negative means. Do you understand now?

Second, I don't call myself an atheist. This is just an assumption on your part.

Third, your obsession with wanting us to keep "quite" is bordering the creepy and other nasty stuff. If you just want any old argument, we've given plenty, so why should we keep quiet? You've given us plenty of junk arguments that prove nothing, does that mean you should keep quiet too?

Your argument is wrong because:
1: You're asking people to prove a negative.
2: You're not understanding of the the word "atheist" properly. An atheist disbelieves OR denies the existence of God. There is a difference.
3: Even if we go by the "denies" definition, it's still a crappy argument, because there is no proof or evidence of God.
4: Additionally, even if you got people convinced that "atheist" was a contradictory title, all you've done is played with word definitions.

1) well i use the technique of the quran :mrgreen: the holy quran told us if any one make any claim just pause this question :

"Produce your proof if you are truthful." [ Quran 2:111 ]

if you are truthful from what you are saying then PRODUCE YOUR PROOF .


2) Ooh really i already provide the definition of atheism and by the way tell me what is the deference ??? i already clear it to you by provding the Synonym for the word deny .

First, what happened to points 3 and 4?

Second, I really don't know what kind of language Arabic is, but it seems evident that is wildly dissimilar from English in some aspects.
Let's get this synonymous stuff out of the way once and for all:

And Waza, read carefully now.

First, I want you to tell me, do you know what a thesaurus is?

Second, I'm going to give you a link. I want you to tell me what you see:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/synonym

And here is another link, which should make it clear:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/belief

And now two final links:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disbelieve

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deny


Now, isn't it strange that two synonyms have varying definitions?
Do you get the point now?


As a final point:
Atheists often distinguish amongst themselves as to whether they are gnostic/agnostic or strong/weak atheists. Do you know of this distinction? And do you realize after my explanation why such a distinction is needed?

If not, then go find out.