Hytegia & Jwillz debate analysis.

[australopithecus]

http://www.leagueofreason.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=9898

Hytegia and Jwillz are reminded they are not permitted to post in this thread while the debate is ongoing.

 

[Prolescum]

I will be watching this one closely. Interesting that Jwillz chose to debate a pagan and not an atheist.

 

[australopithecus]

He doesn't know the difference - 10/1
He's trolling and doesn't care - 1/1

 

[Frenger]

I've got ,£5 on "he doesn't know the difference".

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

I will be watching this one closely. Interesting that Jwillz chose to debate a pagan and not an atheist.

Perhaps (s)he believes it might be "easier" debating a "heathen" than a atheist, on the grounds that it's easier attacking another's beliefs than lack of belief!?

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Laurens]

Greetings,

I will be watching this one closely. Interesting that Jwillz chose to debate a pagan and not an atheist.

Perhaps (s)he believes it might be "easier" debating a "heathen" than a atheist, on the grounds that it's easier attacking another's beliefs than lack of belief!?

Kindest regards,

James

I doubt they thought it through that much to be honest...

 

[bluejatheist]

This will be silly lol

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Oh the hilarity. He does indeed not know that Hytegia is a Pagan. And yes, all religions copy Christianity, especially those religions who have an important figure born on 25 of December, born of a virgin, heal the sick etc, who's stories originate way before the alleged birth of Christ. I won't be surprised if I end up rolling on the floor laughing.

 

[bluejatheist]

but atheists are human filth

Maybe JWillz IS a christian after all

 

[WarK]

Oh the hilarity. He does indeed not know that Hytegia is a Pagan. And yes, all religions copy Christianity, especially those religions who have an important figure born on 25 of December, born of a virgin, heal the sick etc, who's stories originate way before the alleged birth of Christ. I won't be surprised if I end up rolling on the floor laughing.

It's the devil travelling in time and making copies of the bible, you should know this by now

 

[Prolescum]

Ha ha! Wow.

Does he really think insulting atheists has any effect or validity?

Weakest troll opening post we've ever had.

I'm guessing Horus was based on Jesus :lol:

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Oh dear...

I find the biased and insulting title of the debate quite funny.

Bearing in mind that Jwillz agreed to a debate with this title...

A very very pathetic attempt to belittle christianity,

Pot and kettle: "christianity" [sic] is spelt with a capital "C".

... but atheists are human filth...

Rather a un-Christian thing to say...

...that will do anything in their power to feel superior to other human beings, as they don't hesitate to prove again and again instead of trying to HUMBLE THEMSELVES, they insist they are their own gods.

Still projecting...

It doesn't surprise me that they must only debate on internet forums so they can take their time looking up arguments on the internet and using spellcheckers. (Nearly 100% of the atheists I attempt to debate otherwise chicken out.)

I think a spell-checker would help Jwillz as well. And I don't think they're "chickening out" for lack of access to a spell-checker and/or the ability to look up answers in debating Jwillz - given the poor quality of his arguments (as seen below), I doubt they'd need either.

Every claim you make is just an assumption or acceptance of what other people have told you;

Projection again.

... there are no older religions than christianity, that is WHY christianity (which is technically not a religion, but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ) is true.

:facepalm:

This is arrant nonsense.

Firstly, as the comedian, Jackie Mason, quipped: "Freud proved that, no matter how old you are, your parents are always older!"

Given that Christianity is a off-shoot of Judaism...

The oldest extant religion in the world is Hinduism - at some 4000 years old.

And as for the claim that that makes Christianity true... complete non sequitur!

Why do christians reject other religions?

Generally, for the same reason that others reject Christianity in their turn: they were not brought up in it.

Just look at the similarities, every religion is just a copy of christianity modified to a small to large extent.

Again, utter nonsense.

Notice that religions tend to be based around worship of a god or gods? Just like christianity.

Just to clarify, earlier religions tended to start out as polytheistic, a few - like Judaism - turned monotheistic. However, most other religions still are polytheistic. Some, like Theravada Buddhism, are atheistic.

I don't see this as a coincidence, then again, I'm not a very big fan of coincidences as others who believe the entire universe and all of life is a coincidence are.

Religions are a product of the environment in which a human culture arises - which means that they're shaped by their cultural environment, as you'd learn if you read such books as Simon Schama's, Landscape and Memory, to name but one.

I'll be nice and give actual specifics, for example, Allah is the god of Islam, creator of the universe and the earth. Sound familiar?
How about Buddhism, Buddha has visions and gains followers, then creates a religion out of it.

Given that Islam is a combination of Judaism and Christianity, this is hardly surprising.

Again, religions tend to be founded by a individual having a "spiritual" experience, whereupon others gravitate to that person to gain their insight and, perhaps, ultimately have their own "spiritual" experience - and then, perhaps, found their own religion.

All of these things are inspired by the Holy Bible.

No, they aren't - another non sequitur.

The first of the 10 commandments says "Do not worship any other gods", because God already knew more religions would take a place in the world.

Again, no - yet another non sequitur.

At that time, there were a multiplicity of religions in that part of the world. The Israelites were surrounded by peoples with their own gods, hence why - when Judaism turned monotheistic - the Bible says that.

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I must say that this is one of the poorest examples of arguments put forth for a religion I've even come across.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Prolescum]

Can you imagine what a debate via Skype, Ventrillo, Teamspeak or whatever else was in his initial offer would be like?

Here's my guess:

"I've got balls of steel"

"Blow it out yer ass"

"Time to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and I'm all outta gum"

"Ballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballs of steel, I've got balls of steel"

...and so on.

Also, when he says " I find the biased and insulting title of the debate quite funny" is his short term memory so risibly poor?

The debate topic would be atheism, why atheists deny Jesus Christ, and intentionally choose to disbelieve in Christianity.

 

[australopithecus]

I'm bored of the troll already. At first he was quite good because he was playing Poe, now it's just OTT. He's not even trying.

 

[nemesiss]

Every claim you make is just an assumption or acceptance of what other people have told you; there are no older religions than christianity, that is WHY christianity (which is technically not a religion, but a personal relationship with Jesus Christ) is true.

Why do christians reject other religions? Just look at the similarities, every religion is just a copy of christianity modified to a small to large extent. Notice that religions tend to be based around worship of a god or gods? Just like christianity. I don't see this as a coincidence, then again, I'm not a very big fan of coincidences as others who believe the entire universe and all of life is a coincidence are.

I'll be nice and give actual specifics, for example, Allah is the god of Islam, creator of the universe and the earth. Sound familiar?
How about Buddhism, Buddha has visions and gains followers, then creates a religion out of it.

All of these things are inspired by the Holy Bible.
The first of the 10 commandments says "Do not worship any other gods", because God already knew more religions would take a place in the world.

not sure if this person should be taken serious, but if it needs to be.. for 'normal' people, that amount of stupidity would hurt... but if you have become that numb to that pain, it would explain the amount of stupidity.

religions before christianity... howabout judism?
every religion a copy of christianity... that judism, christianity and islam look the same, makes sense... but how do the norsk or the egyptian gods resemble christianity?

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

Stop debunking his bullshit. He's clearly, CLEARLY a troll, anyone who doubts that so far needs to re-read what he wrote.

The more we argue against him, the more effective his trolling becomes.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

It's possible that he's a troll of the "Tsar"-type - but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by assuming that he's extremely closeted in his upbringing.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Inferno]

This guy is obviously a troll, but I thought we might as well learn something:

religions before christianity... howabout judism?
every religion a copy of christianity... that judism, christianity and islam look the same, makes sense... but how do the norsk or the egyptian gods resemble christianity?

First of all, it's Judaism, not judism. It's also "Norse" Gods, not norsk.

Second, the Norse and Egyptian Gods are very much akin to the Christian God - well, to Jesus in any case - due to two reasons:
a) The Egyptian God Horus is, to name but one example, born on December 25th. Jesus birthday was not mentioned in the Bible, but in the early 3rd century we find mention of Jesus' birthday: December 25th. Coincidence? I think not. He was also cared for by his mother Isis and their depictions are suggested to be similar to depictions of Mary and Jesus.
Or take Osiris, who was killed and then rose again after (apparently) three days. I say apparently because that's a debated issue, but the comparison is there.

b) Depictions of Norse Gods may have been altered by Christian... scholars, or rather revisionists, after the Christianization of Scandinavia. For example, a common - but challenged - theory on Loki is that his name comes from Lucifer. A friend of mine just wrote a small piece on that and analyses the idea, apparently it's not sound. (Though at this point I have to criticize my friend's idea as equally implausible, a fact he acknowledged. The sources on Loki are just too varied and frankly, strange.) I'm just putting it out there to give you a quick overview.

 

[DutchLiam84]

I find the biased and insulting title of the debate quite funny. A very very pathetic attempt to belittle christianity, but atheists are human filth that will do anything in their power to feel superior to other human beings, as they don't hesitate to prove again and again instead of trying to HUMBLE THEMSELVES, they insist they are their own gods.

Yeah, because believing that 300 billion galaxies with each 100 billions stars were created just for you is the epitome of humility!

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

The 25 December date, which is the Roman Winter Solstice of the Julian Calendar, has more to do with the Celtic Winter Solstice of 21 December, known as Imbolc (literally, "in milk", which is when ewes came into milk after their young were born in winter - part of the festival involved pouring milk on the ground as a thanks-giving).

The problem that the early Christian Church had with the pre-existing Celtic religion was that it was unable to stamp out certain festivals as well as certain practices. The Church dealt with this by absorbing the existing festivals/practices, and renaming them.

For example, sacred springs were renamed "holy wells"; the "Cult of the Head" was turned into gargoyles on churches to keep away evil spirits; various gods and goddesses were simply turned into saints - such as Brid (Brighid) in Ireland, from whom we get "Brigid's Cross". [The Roman goddess, Brigantia, and In Britain, the Brigantes, are also related to this pan-Celtic deity.]

The major festivals - like the Winter Solstice - were appropriated: in this instance, it was renamed as the birthday of Christ, along with shifting the date a few days to distinguish it from the pre-existing festival, which it subsequently replaced.

Kindest regards,

James