Here's a question...

[barboft]

Call me a bigot if you want Mr, but:

A. I think the issue of religion would cause too many unnecessary arguments
B. I would want to date someone with similar interests to myself
C. I wouldn't want to wait until we got married to have sex :lol:
D. I doubt that a fundie creotard would want to date an atheist

EDIT

E. I don't want to be with someone who loves a dead guy from Nazareth more than they love me

Thanks, I will, mrs.

 

[Laurens]

Call me a bigot if you want Mr, but:

A. I think the issue of religion would cause too many unnecessary arguments
B. I would want to date someone with similar interests to myself
C. I wouldn't want to wait until we got married to have sex :lol:
D. I doubt that a fundie creotard would want to date an atheist

EDIT

E. I don't want to be with someone who loves a dead guy from Nazareth more than they love me

Thanks, I will, mrs.

It's Mr. and how exactly am I a bigot? There are plenty of other types of people I wouldn't date, because it wouldn't be the kind of relationship I would want, its got nothing to do with bigotry, its just my opinion of the kinds of people I would not want to date.

 

[Salphen]

...could you?

Only a bigot would have a problem with it.

Bigotry is a bit harsh, isn't it?

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Umm...
I'm a Creationist.
Though I do value Science and the Evolutionary Theory - I have a long-standing belief that the entire Universe was created by a Creator Deity, and with that all things came into being.

>.<

*Forever Alone...*

 

[Laurens]

Umm...
I'm a Creationist.
Though I do value Science and the Evolutionary Theory - I have a long-standing belief that the entire Universe was created by a Creator Deity, and with that all things came into being.

>.<

*Forever Alone...*

Well at least you accept evolution. Some kind of first cause creator notion I don't really have much of a problem with, I don't agree with it, but you're the kind of creationist I can tolerate.

Wanna grab a beer some time? :lol:

 

[Salphen]

Just tolerate? You, sir, are a bigot! :lol:

 

[ProcInc]

You and I have an understandably different definition and connotation behind the term "creationist" Hytegia. "Creationist" to me is somebody who denies evolutionary theory and its related science

Its not a matter of religious belief but an attitude to knowledge.

Perhaps the term creationist should be given back to the intelligent faithful (ken miller and dobzhanksy are/were self described creationists). The Hovindists and Dembskiites need a term

 

[CommonEnlightenment]

YEC - Probably Not.

OEC (who has questions about first cause) - Yes. I think it shows a capacity to think through a disagreement (which would be a beneficial trait in a partner/ potential long term mate).

 

[ShootMyMonkey]

Point A that Laurens mentioned is probably the big one.

There is a pretty big population of people who believe in a creator deity and it pretty much ends there. The notion of a god doesn't really enter on day-to-day life nor does it impinge upon anybody's basic decision-making. They're not praying before signing a check to pay their bills. They're not in the middle of the street shouting at people and telling them to repent their sins. When someone's place for their irrational belief in a deity is small enough that it isn't really likely to result in some sort of personal divide between people, I think it's a much more possible arrangement.

You take someone like Hytegia, who is professing himself to be a creationist, but for that, it hasn't been a sort of yielding to flooding the forums with the insufferable nonsense that we might face were he, say, Kent Hovind.

Anybody, no matter how tolerant they are or claim to be, has a certain threshold of tolerance. It's not inconceivable that as rational as we like to be, there can be creationists who cross that threshold and creationists who don't. My wife, like most creationists, prays when she wants stuff, but otherwise doesn't do so in general. She and I have had these sorts of arguments, but they've been rare, and for me, her level of thought on the matter is too low for me to care. I make it clear to her that she has a right to believe and do what she wants with that belief, but I will never respect her beliefs at any time nor will I share them, and she accepts that. There are those who most likely would not, and in those cases, arguments over the existence of a deity would probably blow up and create too much tension for a relationship to last.

I will also say that this is generally also the case with any friends I have who are creationists. They're generally otherwise level-headed, and some of them are actually intellectuals nonetheless. Many of them can also take a joke if you present them with humor that openly rips on their own beliefs. But again, if there were crazies around, it would be hard to form a solid friendship either, since it would be so hard to gloss over that wall between you.

 

[CommonEnlightenment]

Point A that Laurens mentioned is probably the big one.

There is a pretty big population of people who believe in a creator deity and it pretty much ends there. The notion of a god doesn't really enter on day-to-day life nor does it impinge upon anybody's basic decision-making. They're not praying before signing a check to pay their bills. They're not in the middle of the street shouting at people and telling them to repent their sins. When someone's place for their irrational belief in a deity is small enough that it isn't really likely to result in some sort of personal divide between people, I think it's a much more possible arrangement.

You take someone like Hytegia, who is professing himself to be a creationist, but for that, it hasn't been a sort of yielding to flooding the forums with the insufferable nonsense that we might face were he, say, Kent Hovind.

Anybody, no matter how tolerant they are or claim to be, has a certain threshold of tolerance. It's not inconceivable that as rational as we like to be, there can be creationists who cross that threshold and creationists who don't. My wife, like most creationists, prays when she wants stuff, but otherwise doesn't do so in general. She and I have had these sorts of arguments, but they've been rare, and for me, her level of thought on the matter is too low for me to care. I make it clear to her that she has a right to believe and do what she wants with that belief, but I will never respect her beliefs at any time nor will I share them, and she accepts that. There are those who most likely would not, and in those cases, arguments over the existence of a deity would probably blow up and create too much tension for a relationship to last.

I will also say that this is generally also the case with any friends I have who are creationists. They're generally otherwise level-headed, and some of them are actually intellectuals nonetheless. Many of them can also take a joke if you present them with humor that openly rips on their own beliefs. But again, if there were crazies around, it would be hard to form a solid friendship either, since it would be so hard to gloss over that wall between you.

Well stated sir....

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Well at least you accept evolution. Some kind of first cause creator notion I don't really have much of a problem with, I don't agree with it, but you're the kind of creationist I can tolerate.

Wanna grab a beer some time? :lol:

Anything but Heiniken and we're good to go.

Shit tastes like Skunk ass.

 

[Salphen]

If you like darker beers I suggest Shiner Bock.

Sure, it's from Texas, but it's still tasty!

 

[ShootMyMonkey]

I'm quite the fan of Boddington's myself. Yeah, it's sort of a pale ale, but it uses a lot of British hop varieties, which still have the preservative effect, byut not so much harsh bitterness. And the nitrogen makes it surprisingly refreshing. Something you wouldn't expect when the head and lacing seem so rigid.

Which is not to say I don't like dark beers. Among dark beers, I lean towards more chocolatey porters like Black Butte.

Though the Belgians still rule the day for having some of the best variety in beers. Lambics are truly the champagne of beers. And Belgian weisbiers like Blanche du Bruxelles are the ultimate summer beverage.

Now THERE'S my brand of bigotry. I couldn't date someone who has no taste for alcohol. Is it any surprise that I married a vintner?

 

[Caractacus]

Sure, as long as he never talked about it. Ever. And his other features were so *~*~fabulous~*~* that it redeemed him of that one little failure.

 

[Memeticemetic]

Sure, as long as he never talked about it. Ever. And his other features were so *~*~fabulous~*~* that it redeemed him of that one little failure.

See, there's the rub. Could you date someone who never talked about deeply held beliefs? That would be a deal breaker for me in and of itself. Very fabulous 'fabulous' by the way.

 

[Krazyskooter]

Yes, under certain conditions. If we could respectfully agree to disagree and not let it be the driving factor in our relationship it might work. There are plenty of other things to argue about other than religion or the lack of it anyway.

 

[Memeticemetic]

Yes, under certain conditions. If we could respectfully agree to disagree and not let it be the driving factor in our relationship it might work. There are plenty of other things to argue about other than religion or the lack of it anyway.

Well, I agree that disagreements should never be a driving factor in relationships (though I do thrive on conflict). But to never discuss my beliefs with my partner and have her not feel free to do so seems utterly horrible. It's moot as far as I'm concerned really, since I can only date women of equal or greater intelligence to myself. And the ability to discuss anything and everything we wish is of utmost importance for me.

 

[Krazyskooter]

Yes, under certain conditions. If we could respectfully agree to disagree and not let it be the driving factor in our relationship it might work. There are plenty of other things to argue about other than religion or the lack of it anyway.

Well, I agree that disagreements should never be a driving factor in relationships (though I do thrive on conflict). But to never discuss my beliefs with my partner and have her not feel free to do so seems utterly horrible. It's moot as far as I'm concerned really, since I can only date women of equal or greater intelligence to myself. And the ability to discuss anything and everything we wish is of utmost importance for me.

I don't think a belief in the supernatural is a sign of inferior intelligence. I don't even think a belief in creationism (for many people anyway) is a sign of not being intelligent. Many people are just brainwashed to believe what they are told to believe as far as religion is concerned. I was brought up in a fundi household and for years I believed in creationism. Even as I started seeing through the bullshit I was still paralyzed with fear for doubting what I was taught. Even now sometimes I will get hit with some of that residual doubt. I think it has more to do with the stubbornness to pursue the truth than it does with intelligence. And going against everything you've been taught is hard as hell to do.

 

[Memeticemetic]

I can follow you, mate. Well, sort of. I was raised completely free of religious dogma so it can be difficult for me to truly appreciate how much of a trap for the mind it truly is. As a consequence I think I unfairly will conflate atheism and intelligence. And that really is bullshit; I gotta quit doing that.

 

[ProcInc]

Most people have openly pointed out what I have predicted. That they would not judge the person by their belief in a creation (nor even their insistence) but by their attitude to the related sciences and the hubris by which they expressed it.

The point is that we have nothing personal nor prejudical against the spiritual, religious or even interventionalist religious. That's because creationism and "evolutionism" is not a conflict of religious views or even science and religion. Merely a specific brand of anti-intellectual bigotry.

Indeed the most insufferable creationists claim to have no religious disposition at all.