gilbo12345
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Frenger said:gilbo12345 said:FINALLY YES!! Someone admits they are making this assumption!! Thank you for being the first honest evolutionist to actually answer my original question
I see deriving tone isn't in your repertoire of talents. Science doesn't work in absolute truths, instead we explain the data with the best possible model. These models are continually tested and revised as more data comes in.
Ah but science is based on DATA not assuming the DATA is it not? So why do you allow this assumption as "scientific"? As I ask, where in the scientific method does it say "assume your hypothesis is correct"?
This is what I mean. My saracastic tone was responding your absurd points regard what "evolutionists" believe. Such as the Big Bang, which has nothing to do with biology at all. Something you'd know as a biology major.
AGAIN YES! Thanks for admitting that this is also assumed (I wasn't questioning whether its a fair assumption or not, but may do so later)
Again, tone my dear boy. The evidence for this is so overwhelming and it's absurd, silly, batshit to believe or think otherwise.
Really... Yet whilst we observe small changes, you ASSUME the large changes since you assume "evolution did it", as before ergo how can you claim that this is overwhelming when it is based entirely on an assumption?
So Lawrence Krauss doesn't ring a bell?
It does, and what he suggests is that "nothing" isn't possible. What physicists used to think of as empty space actually contains dark energy and in a vaccuum, due to quantum fluctuations, virtual particles can be created. But I'm sure this all rings a massive bell in your memory.
Yup that isn't nothing, since nothing means negation of a thing, (NO thing).
Thanks for admitting this assumption
Assumptions backed up with tests and evidence. How is the lab project to prove god coming along my little soldier?
There is no lab project to prove God and to ask such is a red herring
SCIENTISTS creating organic compounds doesn't demonstrate that such is capable by nature, unless you assume it does
Try cellular respiration That one is my favourite though I do like to use the digestive system too. Could also use the immune system but I'm not that well versed in it.
I'll look into these a little later babe, I just thought I'd quickly put you right concerning the tone of my reply.
Babe? Sorry I already have a girlfriend. Feel free to check out my posts about them on EFF, I have yet had an evolutionist debunk these two examples.
See people this is what I call progress When someone actually responds to my posts.
And you then misunderstand sarcasm.
Perhaps I was also being sarcastic....
So do you guys agree with Frenger's admission that
"evolution did it" is assumed by evolutionists
"small changes to large changes" is assumed by evolutionists
I'm pretty sure most would agree that these points are (although "evolution did it" really? I can't believe an adult wrote this) backed by an overwhelming amount of evidence and data. THAT, was my point.
"Data" based on an assumption... That is the problem, take away the assumption and it all crumbles away.
Dave B. said:Gilbo wrote:
The point is that based on what we observe about reality it is not very likely that God exists.Then if you are not ruling it out then what is your point? That there is no physical evidence of non-physical things... Isn't that the point?
Ah so you have some evidence for atheism then? So what observations make God unlikely to exist? Consider that non-physical things cannot be proven or debunked by physical "evidence", and considering that observation is only associated with physical evidence I think I should prepare for a major let-down
Yes. It's called inductive reasoning and if you had any scientific training whatsoever you would understand this. When ALL of the evidence points towards a particular conclusion most moderately intelligent people tend to accept this conclusion as the most probable explanation of observed phenomena.1- Evolution did it
So where in the scientific method does it say, "assume your hypothesis is correct"? Someone was saying something about people not knowing what science is?....
All you are doing is simply using the "if it seems logical to me then its true" rhetoric that underpins the entirety of evolutionary "logic" (or lack thereof ). Since what one deems to be logical is a subjective conclusion based on ones own understanding of the data mixed with their worldview... Ergo its not a solid foundation for the basis one wishes to call science...
All of the evidence suggests this to be true.2- Small changes lead to larger ones
Such as? Again if you don't have an experiment how can you know it to be true? As I said above if something is deemed logical to you doesn't make it true... The fact that people disagree about what is logical should make this apparent to anyone
You are well aware that this is a straw man.3- The universe can come from nothing
So Lawrence Krauss isn't an evolutionist?
Argument from incredulity. We may not know how abiogenesis could have occured but we do have evidence to show that it is possible. On the contrary, we have no evidence that you can create life from dirt, ribs or the breath of an invisible being.4- Life can "evolve" despite no mechanism of evolution before a self-replicating cell
It wasn't an argument... So it cannot be an argument from incredulity... It was merely a statement of one of the assumptions evolutionists make. So I suggest you brush up your ability to point out fallacies since that was a tad embarrassing..
It has been demonstrated how complex systems can evolve. If you have an "irreducibly complex" system in mind why don't you propose it here so it can be discussed?5- Intergrated systems can "evolve" despite all the parts being required at once for a fitness benefit in order to drive selection of the system for fixation within the genome.
Really... SO what mechanisms have been demonstrated that allow for an irreducibly complex system to come about? And please don't wave the magic wand "Natural Selection", I am asking for the mechanisms not an umbrella claim.
Salsa said:Dave B. said:The point is that based on what we observe about reality it is not very likely that God exists.
That's a bit circular Dave since you are implying that "reality" = that which is physical.
I tried to tell him that. But you know evolutionists..
Dave B. said:Salsa wrote:
My reply was in response to Gilbo's claim that:Salsa said:Gilbo's understanding of the scientific method was attacked in conjunction with something that by definition cannot be proven using the scientific method, so who is it that doen't understand the scientific method?
Gilbo wrote:
demonstrating something is logically incoherent is evidence against that thing
He asked for evidence and I provided him with that evidence. I even gave him the opportunity to provide evidence for God but he since he has no evidence.... well you get the point.
That had nothing to do with the scientific method so if you were responding to that claim how can you then claim I don't know about the scientific method?
You gave no evidence, you gave me 3 premises of which the first attributed existence to being physical which is circular, and relied on the assumption that that there are no non-physical things that exist, however I already gave you one which you (begrudgingly) admitted exists, the laws of reality.
I have mentioned evidence of God, cosmological argument (all the forms), teleological argument, ontological argument, moral argument, fine-tuning argument, argument from contingency, etc