Already been done... but just not in the right way :facepalm:lrkun said:
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Getting creationists to accept evolution
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i belive that they can and it all really depends on the religion which the creationist belongs too. This is because for example i am a Muslim and in the Koran is states that all life envolved from the waters but it states clearly that humans were created serpreatly by God/Allah.
Time Lord said:
Let us suppose we change the contents of the Koran to fit the current way of things as well as what we already know to be true as demonstrated by science, will Muslims accept this idea? What I mean by this is that they don't need to maintain an old model that no longer applies to todays scenario.
Squawk said:
He only meant that as an example.
Laurens said:
Right ok sure.
The Qur'an describes that Allah "made from water every living thing" (21:30). Another verse then descibes how "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45). These verses support the scientific theory that life began in the Earth's oceans.
Laurens
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Time Lord said:
Not necessarily. It states that Allah created every animal from water - which could be interpreted as meaning that life originated in the oceans, but that is reading too much between the lines if you ask me.
If the Koran had said "Allah created the first simple life forms that began in the oceans billions of years ago, and over time they gradually became more complex, eventually leaving the waters and dominating the land." - you would have a more convincing case. To me those verses seem to imply that Allah used water as the ingredient to make life with, not that it began in the oceans or that it evolved - that is reading too much into it.
i disagree because you need to understand that when the Koran was first written, people had no idea what bacteria or what any other type of MO was, so to put it in terms that people would understand the Koran simply stated that all life was created from water.
...but they did know full well that water is essential for life at that time. It's not hard to infer from that the idea that life is made from water.
In any case, the Qur'an is still wrong on that account. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the current theories on abiogenesis hold that it probably "emerged" from phospholipids forming double-layered "bubbles", effectively forming a sort of proto-cell. Water is in this case only the medium for the phospholipids to move around freely and for the hydrophilic and hydrophobic ends of the phospholipids to interact with the polar nature of the water molecule, causing the lipids to spontaneously form the bubbles.
Also, if people did not know what bacteria or micro-organisms were, surely it would have been no trouble to just tell people about their existence in the Qur'an? The idea would have been acceptable to people, having already been hypothesised by Marcus Terentius Varro some thousand or so years before, and it would have saved millions of lives.
In any case, the Qur'an is still wrong on that account. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the current theories on abiogenesis hold that it probably "emerged" from phospholipids forming double-layered "bubbles", effectively forming a sort of proto-cell. Water is in this case only the medium for the phospholipids to move around freely and for the hydrophilic and hydrophobic ends of the phospholipids to interact with the polar nature of the water molecule, causing the lipids to spontaneously form the bubbles.
Also, if people did not know what bacteria or micro-organisms were, surely it would have been no trouble to just tell people about their existence in the Qur'an? The idea would have been acceptable to people, having already been hypothesised by Marcus Terentius Varro some thousand or so years before, and it would have saved millions of lives.
TheFlyingBastard
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So what we have here is the comment that every living thing was made from water. There's a lot of water in there and living things are dependent on it, but bodies are not made from water. After all, if this would be some kind of special knowledge, Allah would also have made us then from oxygen and carbon, but the Quran doesn't mention that.Time Lord said:
Then the comment that animals were created with legs which is incorrect too. This is kind of funny, because on the one hand the apologist would say that life started from the oceans, but animals were created, some with two legs, some with four...
All religions from this family share the same creation story; the world started with water, and everything was made out of it. Islam is not an exception. Choosing one interpretation (the historical) makes the Quran factually wrong, choosing another (apologist) interpretation makes it still factually wrong.
Laurens
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Time Lord said:
I think the people who wrote the Koran were aware that water is a requisite for life. We need it. From that one might infer that we were created from water.
If it meant to be speaking about evolution, why not say it explicitly? All life we see now evolved over time from simpler forms - if it has said that I would have accepted it, but it doesn't, and I mean not to cause offence, but it really does look like you are adding your own interpretation of words that could easily (and almost certainly did) mean something else.
RigelKentaurusA
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When they "piss in the well of knowledge" that our society has worked so hard to build, it needs to be confronted.
When they try to push their anti-science agenda upon others and into the classrooms, it needs to be combated.
When they try to push their anti-science agenda upon others and into the classrooms, it needs to be combated.