Fluoride in Drinking Water

[Zeronix]

I don't even consider this to be a conspiracy theory, there have been numerous studies that have proven fluoride to diminish IQ in children. Fluoride is also associated with several health problems and is being added to 60% of drinking water in America, mostly against the will of the citizens. There have been absolutely no studies that prove fluoride to be beneficial to the healthiness of teeth, in fact; it has been revealed to have quite the opposite effect. So my question is; why do you think its presence has become so prevalent in the United States water supply?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I don't even consider this to be a conspiracy theory, there have been numerous studies that have proven fluoride to diminish IQ in children. Fluoride is also associated with several health problems and is being added to 60% of drinking water in America, mostly against the will of the citizens. There have been absolutely no studies that prove fluoride to be beneficial to the healthiness of teeth, in fact; it has been revealed to have quite the opposite effect. So my question is; why do you think its presence has become so prevalent in the United States water supply?

Because every single one of your claims is untrue, and stupidly so. You provide no links, no evidence, nothing but discredited nonsense. Why don't you try to educate yourself, before coming here and making yourself look bad?

For instance, scroll to the bottom of this page and look up the studies listed there, confirming that fluoride improves tooth health. IQ scores have gone up, not down, since fluoride has been used to prevent tooth decay (the Flynn Effect)

Where are your scientific studies? Where is your evidence that IQ scores have gone down?

 

[Aught3]

why do you think its presence has become so prevalent in the United States water supply?

Because fluoride is of benefit to developing teeth.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Because fluoride is of benefit to developing teeth.

Well, it can't be mind-control drugs... that's what chemtrails are for! :lol:

 

[Aught3]

In the chemtrail thread we mentioned the best way to distribute chemicals to the populace would be through the water supply, and now this thread is started. Coincidence?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

In the chemtrail thread we mentioned the best way to distribute chemicals to the populace would be through the water supply, and now this thread is started. Coincidence?

Not at all... people roped into one dumb conspiracy theory are usually open to all sorts of unfounded nonsense. We just reminded him of something else stupid, so he doesn't have to defend the last idea. I'm sure he'll abandon this thread without posting any evidence, just like he did the last one.

 

[darthrender2010]

For instance, scroll to the bottom of this page and look up the studies listed there, confirming that fluoride improves tooth health. IQ scores have gone up, not down, since fluoride has been used to prevent tooth decay (the Flynn Effect)

I find it funny that they spelled cavities "caries" throughout the entire page.

 

[Zeronix]

Because every single one of your claims is untrue, and stupidly so. You provide no links, no evidence, nothing but discredited nonsense. Why don't you try to educate yourself, before coming here and making yourself look bad?

For instance, scroll to the bottom of this page and look up the studies listed there, confirming that fluoride improves tooth health. IQ scores have gone up, not down, since fluoride has been used to prevent tooth decay (the Flynn Effect)

Where are your scientific studies? Where is your evidence that IQ scores have gone down?

Well, to be honest, I didn't bother to include any studies because I knew that even if I did I would be ridiculed by you and accused of proposing "false and dumb ideas", even though this is; the conspiracy theory board. But if you actually care to educate yourself on the dangers of fluoride then I suggest you watch this entire video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2886269353175462948&ei=i0AXStq0DqrcqAONlJGUAg&q=fluoride+deception&hl=en

Article on the dangers of fluoride:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Fluoride-Lowers-IQ-Studie-by-NYSCOF-080813-926.html

And one of the several studies that show a significantly lower IQ in children who's water supply is fluoridated:
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:nRnuX8oi76YJ:www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/epa-sf/table.4.iq.behav.pdf+fluoride+and+IQ&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"There have now been over 40 animal studies which show that fluoride can damage the brain, and no less than 18 studies which show that fluoride lowers IQ in children, and only 2 that don't," says Paul Connett, PhD, Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network (FAN).

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I find it funny that they spelled cavities "caries" throughout the entire page.

It is adorable, isn't it?

 

[Zeronix]

In the chemtrail thread we mentioned the best way to distribute chemicals to the populace would be through the water supply, and now this thread is started. Coincidence?

Actually, I had intended to post this thread even before that had been mentioned, although I cannot prove that, and I don't expect you to believe me; not that it matters.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Well, to be honest, I didn't bother to include any studies because I knew that even if I did I would be ridiculed by you and accused of proposing "false and dumb ideas", even though this is; the conspiracy theory board.

To be honest, the only way you WON'T be accused of posting idiotic nonsense is to back up what you say with evidence. Put up or shut up. I see that you've linked to a fringe anti-reality group, the "Fluoride Action Network"... got anything from a respected and respectable source? Why do all the respectable sources reject those sorts of claims? Giant conspiracy?


You've already been informed that the CT board isn't a soapbox for you to make unsubstantiated claims, haven't you?

 

[richi1173]

You guys are going to love this. This was one of the pieces of "evidence" presented to the audience in the article Zeronix cited.

"The source of fetal specimens: Xingwen and Pengshui counties in Sichuan Province are in high, mountainous areas. Residents use coal with 180-1850 ppm fluoride for warmth and cooking purposes, leading to an epidemic of fluoride poisoning characteristic of coal burning related exposure. The specimens were drawn from these two counties. Each of the mothers of the 16 fetus showed symptoms of dental fluorosis, and 87% had clinical skeletal fluorosis (stage I to III). Their staple food was corn contaminated with 18.5-88.5 ppm fluoride, and there were no signs of rickets or other diseases of skeletal metabolism. The control specimens came from Chengdu, which has low water and food fluoride, and each mother was healthy. In both groups, the fetuses were aborted at 6-8 months."

From "Materials and Methods" in Han H, et al. (1989). The effects of fluorine on human fetus. Chinese Journal of Control of Endemic Diseases 4:136-138.

Seriously, come on. This is about mild fluoridation of the water supply, not critical fluoride poisoning caused by contaminated coal.

 

[richi1173]

And another one.

This one is about high water fluoridation in India.

Trivedi MH, et al. (2007). Effect of high fluoride water on intelligence of school children in India. Fluoride 40(3):178-183.

The water used in the control village was at 2.02 mg/L - 2.58 mg/L of flouride

The water fluoridation in the Unites States - 0.7 mg/L-1.2 mg/L

FAIL

 

[Zeronix]

IQ scores have gone up, not down, since fluoride has been used to prevent tooth decay (the Flynn Effect)

The Flynn effect is entirely inapplicable, It's obvious that the minute deterioration of American children's IQ is not going to present a palpable decrease in the general IQ of the entire world. That report didn't mention the IQ testing of children, and for all we know, the child's IQ is only debilitated during the period of childhood up to adolescence, no one said that fluoride causes a permanent deterioration. And suppose it did, the population of the United states is roughly 281,421,906. Only 60% (168,853,143.6) of the population is ingesting fluoride in their water. There are roughly 6,781,521,494 people in the world, only 168,853,143.6 of which are ingesting fluoride in their water. This number would not make a sufficient enough impact to imply global deterioration of IQ while the rest of the worlds IQ is increasing with time.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

And another one.

This one is about high water fluoridation in India.

Trivedi MH, et al. (2007). Effect of high fluoride water on intelligence of school children in India. Fluoride 40(3):178-183.

The water used in the control village was at 2.02 mg/L - 2.58 mg/L of flouride

The water fluoridation in the Unites States - 0.7 mg/L-1.2 mg/L

FAIL

Right, and REAL scientists already warn about being careful not to overload your kids with too much fluoride. No conspiracy here.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

The Flynn effect is entirely inapplicable, It's obvious that the minute deterioration of American children's IQ is not going to present a palpable decrease in the general IQ of the entire world. That report didn't mention the IQ testing of children, and for all we know, the child's IQ is only debilitated during the period of childhood up to adolescence, no one said that fluoride causes a permanent deterioration. And suppose it did, the population of the United states is roughly 281,421,906. Only 60% (168,853,143.6) of the population is ingesting fluoride in their water. There are roughly 6,781,521,494 people in the world, only 168,853,143.6 of which are ingesting fluoride in their water. This number would not make a sufficient enough impact to imply global deterioration of IQ while the rest of the worlds IQ is increasing with time.

We're still waiting for your evidence that IQ scores are going down, when they are in fact going up. You can't show ANY lowering of scores, so you move the goalposts to "minute deterioration" to avoid admitting that there is NO deterioration. Then you make up the whole "no one said that fluoride causes a permanent deterioration" thing by sticking your hand up your ass and giving a sharp tug.

 

[Zeronix]

I see that you've linked to a fringe anti-reality group, the "Fluoride Action Network"... got anything from a respected and respectable source? Why do all the respectable sources reject those sorts of claims? Giant conspiracy?


You've already been informed that the CT board isn't a soapbox for you to make unsubstantiated claims, haven't you?

Have you just chosen to equivocate the legitimate study on fluoride and IQ because there was another link that I had provided from an anti-fluoride activist group that you regard as a "fringe anti-reality group" because they are trying educate people on the dangers of the chemicals that are present in their water, which they are ingesting every day? Simply because they present there studies under a name that is appropriate for their intentions, they are discredited as a non-legitimate source?

And another one.

This one is about high water fluoridation in India.

Trivedi MH, et al. (2007). Effect of high fluoride water on intelligence of school children in India. Fluoride 40(3):178-183.

The water used in the control village was at 2.02 mg/L - 2.58 mg/L of flouride

The water fluoridation in the Unites States - 0.7 mg/L-1.2 mg/L

I fail to see the relevancy of this, perhaps if it had shown the IQ's of the Indian village and they were substantially higher than the IQ's of the United States city that was ingesting a lesser amount of fluoride than the Indian village, you would have a relevant point. The same irrelevancy goes for your previous finding.

 

[richi1173]

I fail to see the relevancy of this, perhaps if it had shown the IQ's of the Indian village and they were substantially higher than the IQ's of the United States city that was ingesting a lesser amount of fluoride than the Indian village, you would have a relevant point. The same irrelevancy goes for your previous finding.

Now your just being silly or just plain dishonest.

These show that the article that you cited is taking papers which show the health effects of HIGH, get it, HIGH fluoride levels and trying to argue against mild to low fluoridation of the water supply.

They are being blatantly dishonest.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Have you just chosen to equivocate the legitimate study on fluoride and IQ because there was another link that I had provided from an anti-fluoride activist group that you regard as a "fringe anti-reality group" because they are trying educate people on the dangers of the chemicals that are present in their water, which they are ingesting every day? Simply because they present there studies under a name that is appropriate for their intentions, they are discredited as a non-legitimate source

Can't find anything in Western countries? Can't find anything with a large sample size and Should we be surprised?

BTW, fluoride occurs naturally in lots of people's drinking water. Doesn't do anyone any harm in the recommended doses. No one. Guess what? We would know if it did, since 100% of the tap water in NYC is fluoridated, and that's a big enough sample that any real harm would make itself apparent very quickly, especially since the schools in NYC are subject to all sorts of testing every year. If that many people, with that level of testing, has shown no loss of IQ, a couple of hundred folks in China who all fall in the normal variation is proof of nothing.

 

[richi1173]

If that many people, with that level of testing, has shown no loss of IQ, a couple of hundred folks in China who all fall in the normal variation is proof of nothing.

Not to mention that many Chinese villages use HIGHLY FLUORIDATED COAL which has nothing to do with the water supply being intentionally fluoridated.