Otokogoroshi
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Two months after getting a new radio installed in my car, mostly paid for by my dying uncle as a Christmas gift some asshole broke into my car and stole it. Worse yet it was parked in front of my house. I felt violated and cried and refused to even leave the house for several days. Every time I looked in the car my heart broke and I just felt sick.
However downloading music off of the net is hardly a big deal. A lot of my music shockingly come from the artists themselves. Do I speed? Yes. Primarily because otherwise I'd be run off the road by people who get pissed when I only go five over the speed limit.
Go fuck yourself Joe. Way to claim my over reacting and ignore the fact that you instantly jump from 'download music off the net' (regardless of its source) to instantly 'what other ETHICAL failings do you have?' that's a bullshit move and it is exactly like what creationists do. Assume one failing and suggest many others. That is exactly what you did and exactly what you do. You did it in the other thread when you instantly ignored the harm of the DMCA and other bullshit copyright laws that are fucking people over. Not just people who download music but people not at all even related to that area. Hardly fair there.
I am not going to feel guilty about downloading music, mostly because barely any of it is actually something I could physically get my hands on. Secondly because free access to music also leads to better profits for the bands themselves.
Outside of trivial bullshit, like going five over the speed limit, downloading the occasional song I don't even come close to breaking any laws or even trespassing on anyone's moral toes... Unless you consider blasphemy unethical in that case I'm the freakin' Hitler of blasphemy.
How the fuck does downloading a random song even come close to a loosening of ethical behavior? The fact that that is even ON your list of no-nos is shocking and a bit laughable.
Let me see... something that actually causes harm... vs. something that doesn't hurt anyone and has so many variants that it's impossible to lump people together. IE yeah there are some people who are stealing dipshits that download full albums and never support the artists. Those people are leeches. However please do NOT lump me in in any way with those fucktards just because some of my music IS downloaded off the net.
With me its like the whole Paint Shop Pro 6 issue. It's not like I'm actually ripping them off since they'd never get my (non existent) money anyway and I only used it for personal bullshit.
Yes, stealing is wrong. But look at it this way.
If I take a loaf of bread from someone I'm literally taking something physical from them. They had the loaf and now its gone. Meaning they no longer can eat it or sell it for money. That is a big deal.
Now with digital music it doesn't even compare to the loaf. It can be copied an infinite number of times. It doesn't exist in a physical sense and is impossible to even keep track of. This is a pro and con situation. The musician can sell it an infinite number of times for minimal work, great! However a single copy can be purchased by one person then distributed endlessly to friends or put online to download.
At this point its impossible to tell what will happen. Even if a million people download that song without paying the musician there is a very good chance a large number of those people will buy the CDs, download more of their songs from iTunes, buy their shirts, go to their concerts. No one is able to guesstimate if there even is any loss of revenue from the musician! It would all be smoke! Bullshit guesses! However the gain TO the musician is easily seen. Their music is heard by more people and if the musician is popular they gain A LOT.
I didn't dismiss the other options by the way. I do use them. I go to sites where you can hear the music. The Russian band I mentioned before... they have their entire albums available online to listen to. I listened to it, liked it and bought it.
Another example. A song from the game Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. I heard it, loved it, downloaded it and the moment I actually found and import copy of the full sound track I dropped the 30$ on it and snatched it up like a druggy finding free heroin.
How is that a loss? How is that anything bad? How is that even slightly unethical? No one lost anything! NO ONE. Fuck if anything I lost hard drive space and someone else lost a little bit of bandwidth. The artist... completely out of this loop. But I liked them so I supported them. Like any good fan.
I'm not making excuses because I don't need to. You're the one who assumes that if someone downloads music their instantly a thief and no better than those cunts who never buy music.
BTW I really hate when people download movies. To me that's way worse than music. It's lazy, they're missing out of the fun of actually seeing it in theater and enjoying it on a big screen and a disgusting amount of money goes into making those. At least an artist gets to sell t-shirts and tickets to concerts. With a movie (unless they're the rare one with merch) all they have is the movie ticket sales and DVD sales so its a direct theft.
However downloading music off of the net is hardly a big deal. A lot of my music shockingly come from the artists themselves. Do I speed? Yes. Primarily because otherwise I'd be run off the road by people who get pissed when I only go five over the speed limit.
Go fuck yourself Joe. Way to claim my over reacting and ignore the fact that you instantly jump from 'download music off the net' (regardless of its source) to instantly 'what other ETHICAL failings do you have?' that's a bullshit move and it is exactly like what creationists do. Assume one failing and suggest many others. That is exactly what you did and exactly what you do. You did it in the other thread when you instantly ignored the harm of the DMCA and other bullshit copyright laws that are fucking people over. Not just people who download music but people not at all even related to that area. Hardly fair there.
I am not going to feel guilty about downloading music, mostly because barely any of it is actually something I could physically get my hands on. Secondly because free access to music also leads to better profits for the bands themselves.
Outside of trivial bullshit, like going five over the speed limit, downloading the occasional song I don't even come close to breaking any laws or even trespassing on anyone's moral toes... Unless you consider blasphemy unethical in that case I'm the freakin' Hitler of blasphemy.
How the fuck does downloading a random song even come close to a loosening of ethical behavior? The fact that that is even ON your list of no-nos is shocking and a bit laughable.
Let me see... something that actually causes harm... vs. something that doesn't hurt anyone and has so many variants that it's impossible to lump people together. IE yeah there are some people who are stealing dipshits that download full albums and never support the artists. Those people are leeches. However please do NOT lump me in in any way with those fucktards just because some of my music IS downloaded off the net.
With me its like the whole Paint Shop Pro 6 issue. It's not like I'm actually ripping them off since they'd never get my (non existent) money anyway and I only used it for personal bullshit.
Yes, stealing is wrong. But look at it this way.
If I take a loaf of bread from someone I'm literally taking something physical from them. They had the loaf and now its gone. Meaning they no longer can eat it or sell it for money. That is a big deal.
Now with digital music it doesn't even compare to the loaf. It can be copied an infinite number of times. It doesn't exist in a physical sense and is impossible to even keep track of. This is a pro and con situation. The musician can sell it an infinite number of times for minimal work, great! However a single copy can be purchased by one person then distributed endlessly to friends or put online to download.
At this point its impossible to tell what will happen. Even if a million people download that song without paying the musician there is a very good chance a large number of those people will buy the CDs, download more of their songs from iTunes, buy their shirts, go to their concerts. No one is able to guesstimate if there even is any loss of revenue from the musician! It would all be smoke! Bullshit guesses! However the gain TO the musician is easily seen. Their music is heard by more people and if the musician is popular they gain A LOT.
I didn't dismiss the other options by the way. I do use them. I go to sites where you can hear the music. The Russian band I mentioned before... they have their entire albums available online to listen to. I listened to it, liked it and bought it.
Another example. A song from the game Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. I heard it, loved it, downloaded it and the moment I actually found and import copy of the full sound track I dropped the 30$ on it and snatched it up like a druggy finding free heroin.
How is that a loss? How is that anything bad? How is that even slightly unethical? No one lost anything! NO ONE. Fuck if anything I lost hard drive space and someone else lost a little bit of bandwidth. The artist... completely out of this loop. But I liked them so I supported them. Like any good fan.
I'm not making excuses because I don't need to. You're the one who assumes that if someone downloads music their instantly a thief and no better than those cunts who never buy music.
BTW I really hate when people download movies. To me that's way worse than music. It's lazy, they're missing out of the fun of actually seeing it in theater and enjoying it on a big screen and a disgusting amount of money goes into making those. At least an artist gets to sell t-shirts and tickets to concerts. With a movie (unless they're the rare one with merch) all they have is the movie ticket sales and DVD sales so its a direct theft.
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