Debate Comments: Bible or Atheism

[ImprobableJoe]

Hell, I've been 100% successful with picking up women, if you just exclude all the women who said "no"!

I never thought of it like that before. My success rate just improved markedly

Well, to be fair to creationists, you have to dress it up a little bit.

You can eliminate all the women who were already attached, plus lesbians and likely lesbians. Then you redefine "likely lesbian" to mean "women with short hair, relatively tall, not dressed excessively sexy, and really not attracted to me at all." Then try to figure out other things that the women who rejected you had in common. Trying to pick up women in bars or parties where alcohol is served? Clearly they were intoxicated and unable to make a clear-headed judgment of everything you have to offer, so they don't count. Women your friends tried to fix you up with? You know your friends have crappy taste in women, so scratch them as well. The rest of the women who reject you, you can assume they had a bad experience with a guy that looks just like you. Not your fault, doesn't reflect negatively on you at all!

... and this of course is why dotoree wants to use his own special definitions of terms. Once you've defined away all the potential objections to your claims, your claims become obviously and undeniably true by default within the context of those definitions. It is a more clever circular argument than most Christians attempt, and if dotoree weren't dumping so much word salad into every post and just focused on making refining an argument, he might actually get away with it at least in the opening stage of a discussion. The way he pours on the bullshit, it just causes so many red flags that you just know he's trying to pull some sort of dishonesty before you even start getting into the details.

 

[Andiferous]

I <3 how in this forum in comparison to others, threads are attacked violently and with pessimistic emo gothism and with no show of hope for humankind. Yay.

 

[Thomas Doubting]

I have hope for mankind.. but its my form of blind faith with no basis in reality :lol:

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I <3 how in this forum in comparison to others, threads are attacked violently and with pessimistic emo gothism and with no show of hope for humankind. Yay.

Well, based on you specifically... yeah, pretty much no hope at all. We might as well pack it in as a species. :|

 

[nasher168]

Let's not descend into an argument please. :?

 

[Anachronous Rex]

I take it he is not coming back...?

 

[Dean]

I take it he is not coming back...?

Not really an isolated incident, I guess ... :| (Edit): plus, I doubt that TruthisLife7 has in fact missed any of this, given that it has only been 3 days since he last logged in, and this thread has been going for well over a month ....

 

[Anachronous Rex]

My people tell me (yes, I have people... and the ability to read... and a grasp on the concept of individuality) that he will be replying "soon."

 

[Gnug215]

My people tell me (yes, I have people... and the ability to read... and a grasp on the concept of individuality) that he will be replying "soon."

You mean after the courtcase? And after he's done with the stuff at his school? And dealing with some other problems? And the second courtcase?

Ok!

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Fucking seriously? The latest is 9000+ words, and I don't think there's any actual evidence supporting his position. There's a metric shit-ton of trying to define the Bible as proper evidence for itself, plus a bunch of claims about how being a Christian is a positive thing, but none of that supports his fucking position.

I'm not even in this debate, and I want to beat him to a bloody pulp with a shit-dipped sea bass.

 

[Gnug215]

I think we can conclude from this last post that Christians really do perceive evidence as something entirely different than the rest of us.

Also, they don't take suggestions very well... or at all.

Well, either he is incapable of being concise and to the point (or even on point), or he's incapable of comprehending what people are telling him... or he's just a jerk ignoring us all because he's getting a kick from all of this.

 

[Prolescum]

I've barely started reading it, but just... LoL!

...no sane person should be willing to cripple science with the anti-free thought restrictions atheists try to imprison it in. Actually, the only sane thing to do is to give every possible benefit of the doubt to the evidence that points to God above all other options...

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Dotoree should do stand up.


Not, you know, often.




Law suits and English classes and all that.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Has he actually mentioned creationism at all?

 

[Thomas Doubting]

poor Inferno has to fight his way over that mountain of nonsense :|

i really tried reading that all without skipping all the authority figures and quotes and spam that has nothing to do with the topic at all.. however I see 0 evidence, 0 factual argumentation in his favor but a lot of ignoring and twisting reality and history..
I am pretty confused to be honest.. for a moment i thought he will try to explain the crap in his book but he just mentioned others doing similar or same things like it's not to be found in Christian history and even their precious books at all..
Did i miss something important? Can somebody explain me why he takes misogyny and violence from other people as an argument for the bible?
Did the christians do it better than the others? More brutal and bloody, less regard for human life and female rights? Is that an argument for the Bible? Or maybe he doesn't know that they were the champs when it comes to those things?

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

The most recent post pasted into Microsoft Office and then hitting "REVIEW" -
Here's the statistics of the post in it's current format:

Pages: 21
Words: 9,345
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Lines: 848


The hell?
I've written research papers shorter than this.

 

[Isotelus]

i really tried reading that all without skipping all the authority figures and quotes and spam that has nothing to do with the topic at all.. however I see 0 evidence, 0 factual argumentation in his favor but a lot of ignoring and twisting reality and history..

Tell me about it. The sorts of information he provided are from inadequate and improperly researched sources. Like this:

There were exceptions at times, but even Greece was quite a misogynous, woman-hating society for example where women were basically just used for male gratification & for reproduction. Women were "defined as near slaves, or as perpetual minors" in Athenian society (The Greek World, pg. 200)

That paints a very poor picture of what life for women in Ancient Greece was actually like. The perception of women varied immensely depending on their status and location in Greece. I'll point out Sparta in particular where women could own land, run shops, and participate in sports. And what about the various heroines mentioned in Greek epics and the revered and powerful Goddesses like Athena and Artemis.
Not only that, but quoting from Semonides, Hesiod, and Palladus doesn't really help his case, because actual historians caution against generalization and assuming that the views in the poem represent those of the writer and of society as a whole. Plus, Semonides' poem is often considered to be satirical.

:lol: And way to go for neglecting the various other Greek poets who praise women; Meleager, Antipater, Philodemus, Callimachus, Damagetus, Leonidas, Archias. The list goes on, and doesn't mention Roman authors. Women were hugely important in Roman society.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

I think it's funny that he's never seen the Dead Poet's Society.

Why does Poetry exist? To woo women.

You don't write poems calling all women pigs and less than dirt in general. I challenge anyone to write a poem about how ugly a woman is and how useless they all are for anything and that they deserve to do nothing more than clean your boots and have your babies.
You won't get pass internet troll-dom in fame.

 

[Thomas Doubting]

I think it's funny that he's never seen the Dead Poet's Society.

Why does Poetry exist? To woo women.

You don't write poems calling all women pigs and less than dirt in general. I challenge anyone to write a poem about how ugly a woman is and how useless they all are for anything and that they deserve to do nothing more than clean your boots and have your babies.
You won't get pass internet troll-dom in fame.

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but i wouldn't try to impress a girl with it :lol:

 

[Anachronous Rex]

i really tried reading that all without skipping all the authority figures and quotes and spam that has nothing to do with the topic at all.. however I see 0 evidence, 0 factual argumentation in his favor but a lot of ignoring and twisting reality and history..

Tell me about it. The sorts of information he provided are from inadequate and improperly researched sources. Like this:

There were exceptions at times, but even Greece was quite a misogynous, woman-hating society for example where women were basically just used for male gratification & for reproduction. Women were "defined as near slaves, or as perpetual minors" in Athenian society (The Greek World, pg. 200)

That paints a very poor picture of what life for women in Ancient Greece was actually like. The perception of women varied immensely depending on their status and location in Greece. I'll point out Sparta in particular where women could own land, run shops, and participate in sports. And what about the various heroines mentioned in Greek epics and the revered and powerful Goddesses like Athena and Artemis.
Not only that, but quoting from Semonides, Hesiod, and Palladus doesn't really help his case, because actual historians caution against generalization and assuming that the views in the poem represent those of the writer and of society as a whole. Plus, Semonides' poem is often considered to be satirical.

:lol: And way to go for neglecting the various other Greek poets who praise women; Meleager, Antipater, Philodemus, Callimachus, Damagetus, Leonidas, Archias. The list goes on, and doesn't mention Roman authors. Women were hugely important in Roman society.

You know, I don't think I would ever hold up any classical agricultural society as being good for women. As a quick rule of thumb: the classical civilizations are always highly misogynistic, even if they are not all equal offenders. The point worth noticing, however, is not that the bible is so much worse than what happened in Athens, but that we don't feel the need to follow the Greek example anymore.

Just because we may happen to admire their philosophy or mathematics, does not mean we have to emulate their society. Aristotle's words are not gospel, we are free to disagree with him where we think he is wrong.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

poor Inferno has to fight his way over that mountain of nonsense :|

Actually, he really can ignore all of it, since it is all off-topic.