Now I know that sometimes people will try to discredit opponents by claiming that they are on the same side of an issue, so I have to ask; is there an actual legitimate reason that a pastafarian would deny evolution? Aside from being a troll or a whole new order of moron. Of course somehow I feel its an attempted meta subversion.
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Creationist... Pastafarainism?!
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Of course not! Remember that as (FS)M sings his song (oft mistaken for an angelic choir y Christians and JRR Tolkien), his entire form resonates. As each of the 'noodly' strands of his ephemeral being (sometimes described as resembling a bush or spaghetti by those who merely catch a glimpse of Him). The resonations of his divine form then take form in the universe, bringing into being the most elemental building blocks of the Universe. While those who study the nature of His creation oft refer to these resonations as 'superstrings', layfolk affectionately refer to this as His 'noodley' being..
Now, while the & IRRYD does not address this matter directly, I believe that the spirit of the RYD makes it clear that Man should never assume for himself undo importance. The laws of the universe can be studied, and have made it clear that evolution is the reality. It would be foolhardy to cast aside all reason on the grounds of our own ignorance, arrogance, and pride. Many theists delude themselves into thinking that their deity had to 'grant' them free will because their limited comprehension only allows for a Universe built around a blueprint. However, as Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (including {FS}M-THEORY) and other recent discoveries in the realms of physics make clear, this universe is nothing like that. It is clear to anyone who looks honestly that in His greatness, (FS)M has chosen to allow His creation to develop on its own, and that includes us. To be limited by the concept of a 'god' trapped in the fourth or fifth dimension is the first sign of a false religion. (FS)M's very nature is truly beyond the 10th dimension, where he can truly not be understood by our human mind as it has thusfar developed.
Sorry for the tangent, I'll try to get back on track. A true faithful believer in His greatness understands that the best way to know (FS)M is to study the universe with the tools available to us. Those tools have unveiled evolution as yet one sign of how amazing and awe-inspiring this universe is, that it can grow and develop within itself, giving rise to us! I personally find this far more impressive that the limited concept of a lesser deity that must consciously design its creation. In short,. A one who truly seeks to understand (FS)M and this universe not only accepts the evolutionary model, but recognizes it as a sign of the true greatness of 'His Noodliness'
Now, while the & IRRYD does not address this matter directly, I believe that the spirit of the RYD makes it clear that Man should never assume for himself undo importance. The laws of the universe can be studied, and have made it clear that evolution is the reality. It would be foolhardy to cast aside all reason on the grounds of our own ignorance, arrogance, and pride. Many theists delude themselves into thinking that their deity had to 'grant' them free will because their limited comprehension only allows for a Universe built around a blueprint. However, as Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (including {FS}M-THEORY) and other recent discoveries in the realms of physics make clear, this universe is nothing like that. It is clear to anyone who looks honestly that in His greatness, (FS)M has chosen to allow His creation to develop on its own, and that includes us. To be limited by the concept of a 'god' trapped in the fourth or fifth dimension is the first sign of a false religion. (FS)M's very nature is truly beyond the 10th dimension, where he can truly not be understood by our human mind as it has thusfar developed.
Sorry for the tangent, I'll try to get back on track. A true faithful believer in His greatness understands that the best way to know (FS)M is to study the universe with the tools available to us. Those tools have unveiled evolution as yet one sign of how amazing and awe-inspiring this universe is, that it can grow and develop within itself, giving rise to us! I personally find this far more impressive that the limited concept of a lesser deity that must consciously design its creation. In short,. A one who truly seeks to understand (FS)M and this universe not only accepts the evolutionary model, but recognizes it as a sign of the true greatness of 'His Noodliness'
Dumbfounded
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I thought Pastafarianism was built on the idea that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world quite recently, but with the appearence of age. What's more it's been scientifically proven since the world does - in fact - appear to be very old.
That is a heresy that posits that (FS)M is a trickster.However, an honest search for answers, and the spirit of the 7th IRRYD makes the assertion that Man is so important that (FS)M would bother to deceive us an obvious delusion based on Man's own perception of his grandeur. I mean, do you really think you're important enough to make a universe full of lies just to fuck with you? Christians believe this, but an honest search for the nature of (FS)M and the Universe will lead one to conclude that all evidence is the contrary. However, in order to avoid further violation of the first and seventh IRRYDs, I shall leave you to your own search for answers.Dumbfounded said:
Has anyone who was not an ignorant fool ever denied that?
Dumbfounded
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What's more, according to Pastafarianism, the FSM began by creating mountains, trees and a "midgit". Well the oldest rocks we've ever found are 4.4 billion year-old (in appearence) zircons from Jack Hills in Autralia, the oldest life forms discovered are the leaf-like ediacarans, and the oldest known fossil hominids were tiny compared to us.
Obviously, the oldest rocks being from Jack Hills and not Jack Mountains is just meant as a test of our faith by his noodliness.
Obviously, the oldest rocks being from Jack Hills and not Jack Mountains is just meant as a test of our faith by his noodliness.
Now who says He created them at the same time, or in the sense that you interpret it? Remember that Henderson himself violates the spirit of the 7th IRRYD; he is but another Man, like us all. It is foolish to think that (FS)M would be revealed in whole to a single man. Our species is simply not that important, let alone any single one of us.
Dumbfounded
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Zylstra said:
Who says it is only man that the universe is fucking with? Is that not itself a delusion of grandeur to assume that you are the sole, or even intended, target of a jape because you are also deceived by it?
The FSM's comedic bent is infinite, he is omnihumerous after all.
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Zylstra said:
Who says he didn't? Obviously, since the FSM gives things things the appearence of age, their actual ages are forever unknown. We must let his appendage guide us in these matters.
Dumbfounded said:
I never said we would be. However, why would any other species be that important? (FS)M brings into being all of the universes that we can imagine, in all states of all ten dimensions that He chooses to- and that's merely what we know about. To think any number of lifeforms that might dvelop in any of the universes to emerge from the wondrous harmonics of his vibrating form is to assume an importance we cannot justify assuming.
He might be. He might also be omniapethetic; we simply do not know
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Zylstra said:
I think there is sufficient observational evidence of the universe to conclude that if it was created by anyone it was the product of someone with a mightily sick sense of humour.
Dumbfounded said:
That's fallacious. You cannot assume the positive because there is not evidence for a negative that cannot be proven; one might as well believe in YHWH! :lol:
Does He? Do youhave evidence he does any such thing? You are limited by your shortsightednesss and are therefore unable to perceive in whole how amazing the Universe is. See my previous post regarding the matter.
If you simply mean to imply the impossibility of gnosticism, we are in agreement. Of course, this means qwe must adopt the best model for the age of the universe and follow the evidence available to us.
We must trust in reason and logic to lead us. If (FS)M wishes to guide us, he shall. However, one must not assume one is so important as to expect (FS)M to guide you if you will not honestly and earnestly follow the evidence before you
Dumbfounded said:
Really? I see bountiful evidence that as his divine from resonates to being into being the most elemental particles of the universe*, the natural laws that come into being and manifest have guided the universe through purely 'naturalistic' means.
* read up a bit on (FS)M-Theory
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Zylstra said:
It is equally fallacious to assume the negative in absence of evidence for the positive. Lack of evidence makes something unproven, not true or false.
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Zylstra said:
Why would the FSM create something unimportant?
An omniapathetic being would not be bothered to create at all.
Dumbfounded said:
Absence of wevidence means that a reasonable and logical person must exclude the thing in question from the model being constructed. Hence, no flying teapot, no invisible pink unicorn, no YHWH, and no purple elephant on your head.
Science points to (FS)M and begins to reveal the secrets of the universe
Dumbfounded said:
Why does a bored man doodle? Why does a man hum?
Not so. Just because his being resonates with his song/humming does not mean he cares for the notes any more than a bored man cares about the near-undetectable echos of the notes he produces.,
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Zylstra said:
Yes, most practical jokes look perfectly innocuous to begin with.