Colloidal Silver

[scalyblue]

MGK, you haven't seen how I prepare the solution, so how can you be so sure of what you say?

The mason jars are cleaning with hemp soap and washed thoroughly with distilled water, after cleaning the water put in the jar shows no Tyndall effect nor tastes any different then just water.

The coins are scrubbed clean in distilled water and wiped off with some paper towels.

The only substance in contact with the water in the glass jar is silver.

A current is passed though, and 2hrs later a clear Tyndall effect is seen as streaming wisps from the negative coin.

The coins are taken out, and a cap is placed on the jar.

So tell me, what's the only substance that can result from this reaction?

Hemp soap = impurities, including oil and lye, which can't be washed off with water,

Paper Towels = impurities, including dust and paper fragments.

Distilled water is not a miraculous clean all product; idiot, and Mason Jars are made for food storage, the glass isn't up to the same par as the glass for lab equipment.

The Tyndall Effect would not be seen as streaming 'wisps' ...that is not how the tyndall effect works. Either a fluid displays the tyndall effect or it does not; you cannot just shine a flashlight at something and see electrolysis happening.

Between the oil, soap, dust, and other impurities you are introducing into the equation, I'd say the number of substances that can result from this are incalculable.

 

[Niocan]

The Tyndall Effect would not be seen as streaming 'wisps' ...that is not how the tyndall effect works. Either a fluid displays the tyndall effect or it does not; you cannot just shine a flashlight at something and see electrolysis happening.

The effect is seen as localized because there's no movement in the water, and the silver moves via Brownian motion only. I'm not shining a flashlight I'm using a laser diode with a wavelength of 630-650nm. The effect seen is rather faint by the way.

Edit: I should add that the localization is only seen as its being made, which I assumed you were talking about. After a night the Tyndall effect is seen throughout the solution evenly.

Edit2: As for the impurities, the hemp soap is only used every week or so for insurance, not routinely. I shouldn't have underestimated your ability to nitpick..

 

[ExeFBM]

As for the impurities, the hemp soap is only used every week or so for insurance, not routinely. I shouldn't have underestimated your ability to nitpick..

This has nothing to do with nitpicking. If your claim that what you are making is as low a concentration as 20ppm is true, then it will only take small levels of a contaminant to completely corrupt your product. On top of this, as I have already explained, silver can form a vast array of complexes. Transition metal complexes are hard to predict, and there is no hard and fast rule, with huge variation between neighboring elements. I work with platinum, and have some understanding of what platinum complexes might form in a given situation, but my knowledge has very few applications when looking at silver complexes. You seem to have no knowledge of any transition metals, or how they might form complexes, so you cannot know what compounds are being formed, and you have made no attempts to find out.

 

[Niocan]

This has nothing to do with nitpicking. If your claim that what you are making is as low a concentration as 20ppm is true, then it will only take small levels of a contaminant to completely corrupt your product. On top of this, as I have already explained, silver can form a vast array of complexes. Transition metal complexes are hard to predict, and there is no hard and fast rule, with huge variation between neighboring elements. I work with platinum, and have some understanding of what platinum complexes might form in a given situation, but my knowledge has very few applications when looking at silver complexes. You seem to have no knowledge of any transition metals, or how they might form complexes, so you cannot know what compounds are being formed, and you have made no attempts to find out.

I know I'm not doing things at lab expectations, but despite what many of you think I'm not trying to kill myself. I take the time to clean these things, and if you can please forgive my probability of small errors the majority of the solution *will be* silver in varying sizes (colloidal / ionic, slight variation in charge, etc).
I implore you to get three or four 9v batteries and some silver to try it out, as you'll have the expertise in handling the production; But I'm not sure if I've gained anyones trust here at all >.>

 

[darthrender2010]

I'm not sure if I've gained anyones trust here at all >.>

No shit Sherlock

I heard jesus as a child, literally heard him. I asked him what color his eyes were while I was in a Sunday school class where everyone was drawing his eyes blue, just like they always are in the movies. He said brown, so I drew them brown.

You can say what you want, but using your logic this has to be true because I experienced it, I know what I heard. Go and test it for yourself, but you just aren't doing it right if you don't hear him.

EDIT: As an addendum why the FUCK did we reanimate this thread???

 

[borrofburi]

I know I'm not doing things at lab expectations

And until you control for placebo you are no different from the homeopaths.

 

[TheFearmonger]

I'm not sure if I've gained anyones trust here at all >.>

Really? Well, it can't have anything to do with wanting us to form the Leagure of Smurfs...

EDIT: As an addendum why the FUCK did we reanimate this thread???

Because it was so full of silver, we thought it might be economically viable.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Because it was so full of silver, we thought it might be economically viable.

It is full of... something. Probably not silver, based on the smell.

 

[TheFearmonger]

It is full of... something. Probably not silver, based on the smell.

Heh heh heh :twisted: ...
Well, niocan, if you have nothing else to spout, perhaps we should let this die as the rest of the illogicals do... painfully! :twisted: Seriously, though, you should change your view niocan. I know I've just been railing on you, but scaly, concordance, and some others have made good, valid points that invalidate your theory. Be honest w/ yourself and change. But, if you don't, you have no place on LoR. Good day to you, sir/ma'am/screen name!

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

MGK, you haven't seen how I prepare the solution, so how can you be so sure of what you say?

Hum it's a pickle isn't it? How can I possible be so sure that you haven't got the slightest clue of what you are doing despite the fact that you have done a so called "experiment"?
As I said what you say implicates to many things, far more then it appears on the surface.

It's a suspension of Silver in it's colloid and ionic form

Suspension
Colloid
Solution

I could almost debunk everything with this statement alone. If you check the definitions, you will find out that they are all exclusive of each other, although you can have in the same container a suspension a colloid and a solution of the same material, what you can certainly must not have is a Suspension of colloid, or a suspension of ions, or a colloidal ion. And yet you have claimed that you have seen a suspension of colloidal and ionic silver.
Something else that is quite problematic if you had the fact that you can't see ions, they are simply too small to be seen. Even what you think you can see you really don't, what you can see is the fluid getting murky, only with the properties such like color dispersion among others you can infer that it is most likely a colloid, but you observation is certainly not that it is a colloid but that it has the properties of such and given the properties only then you can say what is or isn't (many people don't seem to get this).
I have given you an opportunity to correct this. And yet here you are defending your position that you have seen what you say you have seen, and that my opinion does not override your personal uneducated experience.
Wait this is not over yet.

The coins are scrubbed clean in distilled water and wiped off with some paper towels.
The only substance in contact with the water in the glass jar is silver.
A current is passed though, and 2hrs later a clear Tyndall effect is seen as streaming wisps from the negative coin.

Another alarm goes off right there, as far as I know there are no more monetary coins made out of (highly pure) silver for at least a century (because the coined material must not surpass the value that it must represent, or people would melt the coins and sell it for even more coins, neither must it have a relatively moderate market value because it was a practice for people to scrape coins to slowly collect the valuable material without losing the coins monetary value). Even with jewelry coins that are claimed to be silver are in fact silver alloys.
But your contaminations problems don't end there.

So tell me, what's the only substance that can result from this reaction?

Copper, for one.

What cooper?? How??

You are so focused on the target of the experiment that you haven't looked to the apparatus of the experiment itself, and you haven't realized that you put the copper wires along with the coin in the water.
And yet you are still convinced that there was nothing else there, and that your personal experience out beats my "opinion".
And you still believe that your personal experience out beat my "opinion". This is not nitpicking, these details make a huge difference, and yet they would have never crossed your mind simply because you are not competent.

And despite all this, even if you didn't made a complete mess of this "experiment", the best you could possibly achieve with this so called "experiment" is that you can produce colloidal silver by this process (which I was never opposed that you actually did), and that is it.
I no way does this experiment will ever demonstrate that colloidal silver is a power anti-septic (which isn't), nor that it doesn't cause Argyria (which does cause), neither that it is or cheaper or powerful or safer than the regular anti-septic you find in the market (which on the contrary of the colloidal silver, is safer and does work).

Most certainly it will not be by asking other people to do it for themselves that they are going to make it legit. Firstly because there is money involved to acquire the necessary material for the experiment, secondly because asking someone to ingest a substance with unknown effect is reckless and dangerous (that is why we have animal testing), thirdly even if they have done that they wouldn't be in position to attest your claims because neither are they competent researchers (as far as they know it could as likely have been because they wiggled their nose and hoped 3 times before they washed their hands), fourthly even if they were competent researchers they would get zero credit because reason one it requires a team of different types of experts to attest for the appropriate operating condition and reason two the work hasn't been reviewed (even if they didn't find anything wrong with it, that is no proof that a smarter person couldn't come along and do it instead).

The only reason my opinion worth's more than any of the experimentation or argument you can come up with is simple, because it isn't an opinion, you don't know what are you doing and you don't have any bases to claim whatever you do, and as such you inevitably make grave mistakes that could have been avoided if you have simply educated yourself.
And this is the end of this topic, there will be no more posts answers or rebuttals, you have given the opportunity to correct your mistakes, you didn't. And as I promised, from now on you will be called a hopeless crackpot.

 

[jrparri]

This just in!
Researchers at the University of Florida in Gainesville have made an interesting discovery in regards to the mechanism by which colloidal silver works in the body!!


(seriously, though, it's fascinating stuff)

 

[TheFearmonger]

This just in!
Researchers at the University of Florida in Gainesville have made an interesting discovery in regards to the mechanism by which colloidal silver works in the body!!


(seriously, though, it's fascinating stuff)

Wow... i never thought a goat in slippers could hurt someone on the inside so bad... wow :lol: :lol:

 

[Niocan]

Hum it's a pickle isn't it? How can I possible be so sure that you haven't got the slightest clue of what you are doing despite the fact that you have done a so called "experiment"?
As I said what you say implicates to many things, far more then it appears on the surface.

It's a suspension of Silver in it's colloid and ionic form

Suspension
Colloid
Solution

I could almost debunk everything with this statement alone. If you check the definitions, you will find out that they are all exclusive of each other, although you can have in the same container a suspension a colloid and a solution of the same material, what you can certainly must not have is a Suspension of colloid, or a suspension of ions, or a colloidal ion. And yet you have claimed that you have seen a suspension of colloidal and ionic silver.

Oh my fuck, did you just try and debase my entire argument and experiment based on what words I chose to display the information throughout this thread? If you choose to attack the messenger and not the message you have an inherent problem to sort out first MGK, before you can attempt to tell me what I see with my own eyes.

Something else that is quite problematic if you had the fact that you can't see ions, they are simply too small to be seen. Even what you think you can see you really don't, what you can see is the fluid getting murky, only with the properties such like color dispersion among others you can infer that it is most likely a colloid, but you observation is certainly not that it is a colloid but that it has the properties of such and given the properties only then you can say what is or isn't (many people don't seem to get this).

I don't see ANYTHING in the water, I've *never* said I did see anything, besides the Tyndall effect and I'm just humble enough to admit my solution isn't pure and it will result in different sizes of silver. (Note: Agglomeration is the seen effect if I run it for too long, and will turn the water yellow, but that's it)

Another alarm goes off right there, as far as I know there are no more monetary coins made out of (highly pure) silver for at least a century (because the coined material must not surpass the value that it must represent, or people would melt the coins and sell it for even more coins, neither must it have a relatively moderate market value because it was a practice for people to scrape coins to slowly collect the valuable material without losing the coins monetary value). Even with jewelry coins that are claimed to be silver are in fact silver alloys.

99.99% Pure silver coins from the Canadian Mint, they're plain bullions with no labels or dyes on them. I have stressed the purity fact MORE THEN ENOUGH TIMES.

But your contaminations problems don't end there.

So tell me, what's the only substance that can result from this reaction?

Copper, for one.

What cooper?? How??

You are so focused on the target of the experiment that you haven't looked to the apparatus of the experiment itself, and you haven't realized that you put the copper wires along with the coin in the water.
And yet you are still convinced that there was nothing else there, and that your personal experience out beats my "opinion".
And you still believe that your personal experience out beat my "opinion". This is not nitpicking, these details make a huge difference, and yet they would have never crossed your mind simply because you are not competent.

As I had stated before, the only thing in contact are the coins. An alligator clip is attached at the very top but the coins themselves are submerged only enough to keep silver the only thing in contact. In fact I'll do you one better: If I had indeed submerged the wires and clips themselves in the water the last thing I'd have to worry about is the copper seeing as how I'd be making colloidal NICKEL, which is far more toxic to the body.

So far you've only shown your inability to absorb knowledge.

And despite all this, even if you didn't made a complete mess of this "experiment", the best you could possibly achieve with this so called "experiment" is that you can produce colloidal silver by this process (which I was never opposed that you actually did), and that is it.
I no way does this experiment will ever demonstrate that colloidal silver is a power anti-septic (which isn't), nor that it doesn't cause Argyria (which does cause), neither that it is or cheaper or powerful or safer than the regular anti-septic you find in the market (which on the contrary of the colloidal silver, is safer and does work).

You know what the fantastic thing about making this yourself is? You get to test it on whatever you want to prove to yourself that it's true.

Most certainly it will not be by asking other people to do it for themselves that they are going to make it legit. Firstly because there is money involved to acquire the necessary material for the experiment, secondly because asking someone to ingest a substance with unknown effect is reckless and dangerous (that is why we have animal testing), thirdly even if they have done that they wouldn't be in position to attest your claims because neither are they competent researchers (as far as they know it could as likely have been because they wiggled their nose and hoped 3 times before they washed their hands), fourthly even if they were competent researchers they would get zero credit because reason one it requires a team of different types of experts to attest for the appropriate operating condition and reason two the work hasn't been reviewed (even if they didn't find anything wrong with it, that is no proof that a smarter person couldn't come along and do it instead).

This statement is based on the fact that you view groups of people as being more legit then yourself, and is disempowering in nature. Sorry kiddo, but it doesn't hold true in all situations.

The only reason my opinion worth's more than any of the experimentation or argument you can come up with is simple, because it isn't an opinion, you don't know what are you doing and you don't have any bases to claim whatever you do, and as such you inevitably make grave mistakes that could have been avoided if you have simply educated yourself.
And this is the end of this topic, there will be no more posts answers or rebuttals, you have given the opportunity to correct your mistakes, you didn't. And as I promised, from now on you will be called a hopeless crackpot.

I'm waiting for my mistakes to be shown, so far I only see weak attempts to discredit myself, and to further push back the need to TEST IT.

 

[scalyblue]

blah blah blah, niocan you're an idiot.

Your empowerment is irrelevant, your shit doesn't work, you haven't given anybody any compelling reason to try anything, you fail to address rebuttals to your process and your aptitude. You fail in every aspect, every single aspect of the scientific method, and you fail in every aspect of reason. You are dishonest, you are deluded, and on top of it all you are just plain stupid.

Go live in your delusions, go to your idiot boards where you can preach your magic to somebody who's stupid enough to listen without contradicting you.

If you want to remain here and not be the subject of ridicule, stop ignoring the people who legitimately rebuke you. I have made dozens of points and you have failed to address any of them, you just remain evasive.

You want empowerment?
Without knowledge of electronics, how do you know that your device does anything without being told by a group of unqualified people that it does something.

Without knowledge of chemistry, how do you know what materials you are manufacturing without being told by a group of unqualified people that it is what you think it is?

Without a knowledge of physics, how do you know that the tyndall effect you purport to witness is actually the tyndall effect and that it indicates what you think it indicates, aside from being told by a group of unqualified people that it is what it indicates

Without a knowledge of medicine, how do you know that what you are taking has any effect above and beyond the placebo effect, aside from being told that it should work by a group of unqualified people.

Without practicing the scientific method and testing with controls, how do you know that your process isn't flawed, aside from the unqualified people telling you that it isn't?

You listen to a group of people, too, niocan. You are just as disempowered as the rest of us. You believe what they say because it fits into your world view. You listen to the faith healers, the energy healers, the magnet therapy and the colloid suspension people. None of these people are chemists. None of these people are medical doctors. None of these people are physicists, and none of these people are scientists.

I am empowered, you are not. You have a belief about how things work, you find things on the internet that sound like they agree with your belief, and you fall into it like a little blue sheep without any scrutiny, any knowledge, and any doubt, becuase it is being peddled by people who happen to believe the same things as you. That isn't empowerment, that is stupidity, and it is disempowering because you are removing the act of judgement from yourself.

I am empowered, and you are not, because I know what I am talking about, and if I don't know what I'm talking about, I find out. When something that I find out disagrees with what I think, is posed by a qualified person, and has has reasonable, replicible proof, I modify what I think because I just learned something the fuck new.

I don't need to build your machine to know that it doesn't do anything, because I have the knowledge that it will not work by looking at the schematic. Are you contesting my empowerment? My personal experience with electronics tells me that your machine is worthless. My personal experience with medicine tells me that your 'cure' is a thinly veiled poison. My personal experience with physics tells me that your tyndall effect isn't necessarily caused by a colloid. My personal experience with psychology tells me that you are a very, very deluded person. Are you disputing my personal experience? By your logic, my personal experiences are as much truth as yours.

You and I are the same, niocan, except for one thing.

The people that I listen to are qualified to be listened to.

Ten times out of Ten I will take a Medical Doctor's opinion over that of a faith healer. My mother is a nurse in a very prestigious teaching hospital. There are hundreds of residents and doctors there, many, if not all of them are more intelligent than I am. I should know, I've talked to them. I grew up around doctors and hospitals and the such. These people are brilliant, these people all know what silver is, they all know what a colloid is. Do you mean to tell me that they are either all too stupid to see a superior therapy when it comes to it, or that they have all taken secret vows to withhold that therapy from the masses? Are you suggesting that everybody in that hospital is lacking the secret knowledge that makes you special and unique?

And let me get even further into this. You have special knowledge of a cure all that works for a broad spectrum of hundreds of diseases, and you won't do the work and submit it for peer review, after being made aware that peer review is the only process by which new therapies get accepted by the medical community? That makes you evil. That makes you the scum of the earth. That makes everybody who dies of something your cure can prevent a murder on your hands. Either that, or your cure doesn't do anything. Why don't you submit it? Help humanity out?

I don't think you have the balls to do that, because I think deep down inside you know that you're full of shit, and you're so ashamed of it that you delude yourself into thinking that you have something.

So in summary.
You're a dishonest, stupid, evasive, foolheaded, muleheaded idiot.

You have no understanding of any subject involved in this matter, aside from what was told to you by the unqualified people peddling this crap. In fact, I'll go further than that and say that your understanding of any subject involved in this matter is flawed or full of holes. Important holes.

If somebody disagrees with you, the *qualified* people who they cite are either wrong, part of a conspiracy, or unnecessary because seeking that knowledge is "disempowering." (apparently it's only disempowering to get your opinions from a consensus if the consensus if a group of people qualified in the field of inquiry, it's perfectly empowering to get your opionions from a consensus of people who already agree with your opionions)

You are either an evil piece of shit who has the blood of a million babies on your hands for withholding this information from the scientific community, refusing to do a peer review, and only posting it on this little forum, or you are a dishonest piece of shit who knows your cure doesn't work and is too weak to man up and admit it.

You claim that personal experience is the only proof, but when my personal experience contradicts with yours, I am wrong because you have special knowledge that makes you feel unique and shiny in this world of garbage.


So basically, since your arguments make no sense, you have no science to stand on, you're evasive and dishonest, my response to whether colloidal silver is a safe and effective medication is snowman. Why snowman? Because it makes more sense than the shit you're saying.

 

[Finger]

scalyblue, can I carry your books for you?

 

[Niocan]

Your empowerment is irrelevant, your shit doesn't work, you haven't given anybody any compelling reason to try anything, you fail to address rebuttals to your process and your aptitude. You fail in every aspect, every single aspect of the scientific method, and you fail in every aspect of reason. You are dishonest, you are deluded, and on top of it all you are just plain stupid.

I feel I've done a very good job in clearing up misconceptions thus far, though I know I could've done better it's no help at all to have someone who will deconstruct every little aspect of my statements in attempts of Petitio Principii.
I came here with a hypothesis based on what was generally claimed by those who sold or promoted it.
I found a very cheap way to produce it, and tested it.
I found that the claims, to what extent I could test it, remained within what was promoted.
I came here to lay out what I thought was the best + simplest way to produce it, corrected and added to that later.
All with the expectation I would encounter some rational people, and at least one of which would maybe have some of the materials and is willing to try it for themselves. So that we can go through what's real and what isn't in terms of what Colloidal Silver is capable of, because there's a lot of bullshit about it out there and it's hard to weed through it for some other people.

I have remained well within the realms of science, and most questions you've asked are easily explained and demonstrated to be false with the cheap test at hand and I have done the best to explain the process and outcomes as I see them. I don't have laboratory conditions, but I'm not devoid in the reasoning of a clean test.

Empowerment, used in this context, would mean the connection of what is said, and what happens. It's an act of *faith* to trust others without testing or going through it yourself. I know it's impossible go through everything, and I didn't argue that, but in this context when you try and prove what I see happen before my own eyes to be false based on what others have said, it's hard to take those comments seriously.

You listen to a group of people, too, niocan. You are just as disempowered as the rest of us. You believe what they say because it fits into your world view. You listen to the faith healers, the energy healers, the magnet therapy and the colloid suspension people. None of these people are chemists. None of these people are medical doctors. None of these people are physicists, and none of these people are scientists.

Varies assumptions that have nothing to do with what's at hand, and the ideology of "escalation leads to success" is more false then true, though by no means inefficient.

I am empowered, you are not. You have a belief about how things work, you find things on the internet that sound like they agree with your belief, and you fall into it like a little blue sheep without any scrutiny, any knowledge, and any doubt, becuase it is being peddled by people who happen to believe the same things as you. That isn't empowerment, that is stupidity, and it is disempowering because you are removing the act of judgement from yourself.

I hardly call testing it myself a lack of scrutiny, and I originally heard it from Bob Beck. Someone who it seemed did his best to give this away as cheap as he could, and always included all of his information for the cost of the copied sheets... I don't care what you say, but these are acts of honesty and I trusted him based on the merits of his work; Which I found (in regards to just CS) to be true to what extent I can test them.

I am empowered, and you are not, because I know what I am talking about, and if I don't know what I'm talking about, I find out. When something that I find out disagrees with what I think, is posed by a qualified person, and has has reasonable, replicible proof, I modify what I think because I just learned something the fuck new.

Then learn what's at hand.

I don't need to build your machine to know that it doesn't do anything, because I have the knowledge that it will not work by looking at the schematic. Are you contesting my empowerment? My personal experience with electronics tells me that your machine is worthless.

Forget about the damn schematic >.> I've gone over the batteries + resistor + silver setup time and time again, it's a correction I've made since I first started posting.

My personal experience with medicine tells me that your 'cure' is a thinly veiled poison.

Not according to the in vivo tests done by anyone who uses it, and I wouldn't call your experience personal in this regard.

My personal experience with physics tells me that your tyndall effect isn't necessarily caused by a colloid.

True, though a colloid / ion of silver is indeed the only thing produced if we can forgive my small errors and focus on the test at hand.

My personal experience with psychology tells me that you are a very, very deluded person.

I like to let others form the conclusions because it's a much better way of teaching; To strive for your own answers I've been reluctant to add anything from myself and only answered what questions were asked.

Are you disputing my personal experience? By your logic, my personal experiences are as much truth as yours.

They are as true to you as this is to me, though which one of us has actually done the test? Hm?

Do you mean to tell me that they are either all too stupid to see a superior therapy when it comes to it, or that they have all taken secret vows to withhold that therapy from the masses? Are you suggesting that everybody in that hospital is lacking the secret knowledge that makes you special and unique?

Not at all, and I don't claim this knowledge to be secret. They're used to a rather different approach to drugs being introduced, and colloidal silver hasn't gotten any major in vivo studies thanks in part to questionable FDA actions about it..
If I can test this out, to prove the concept to be true, then so can others.

And let me get even further into this. You have special knowledge of a cure all that works for a broad spectrum of hundreds of diseases, and you won't do the work and submit it for peer review, after being made aware that peer review is the only process by which new therapies get accepted by the medical community? That makes you evil. That makes you the scum of the earth. That makes everybody who dies of something your cure can prevent a murder on your hands. Either that, or your cure doesn't do anything. Why don't you submit it? Help humanity out?

Many people do, I shouldn't be singled out as such, and I have no 'qualifications' to add support to these claims; Nor the labs to test them, or the necessary information to do so in such high standards. If I did, I most certainly would.

You have no understanding of any subject involved in this matter, aside from what was told to you by the unqualified people peddling this crap. In fact, I'll go further than that and say that your understanding of any subject involved in this matter is flawed or full of holes. Important holes.

You'd be surprised at what you can learn when you throw yourself into the subject at hand, but I guess that needs to be taught to you by a trustworthy high-ranking individual of the appropriate field in question.

If somebody disagrees with you, the *qualified* people who they cite are either wrong, part of a conspiracy, or unnecessary because seeking that knowledge is "disempowering." (apparently it's only disempowering to get your opinions from a consensus if the consensus if a group of people qualified in the field of inquiry, it's perfectly empowering to get your opionions from a consensus of people who already agree with your opionions)

I was honestly expecting that, but I've found that the only resistance is the irrational fear of argyia and the ill-perspective of its toxicity, as well as taking into question my own mistakes instead of correcting them so we focus on the topic at hand.

You are either an evil piece of shit who has the blood of a million babies on your hands for withholding this information from the scientific community, refusing to do a peer review, and only posting it on this little forum, or you are a dishonest piece of shit who knows your cure doesn't work and is too weak to man up and admit it.

Attempt the unthinkable and open your options a little..

You claim that personal experience is the only proof, but when my personal experience contradicts with yours, I am wrong because you have special knowledge that makes you feel unique and shiny in this world of garbage.
So basically, since your arguments make no sense, you have no science to stand on, you're evasive and dishonest, my response to whether colloidal silver is a safe and effective medication is snowman. Why snowman? Because it makes more sense than the shit you're saying.

Taking what I say to the extremes that you do isn't helping at all, I feel I've said enough for this post.

 

[kf00kaha]

Again...

why the FUCK did we reanimate this thread???

 

[scalyblue]

Snowman.

 

[Marcus]

My personal experience with medicine tells me that your 'cure' is a thinly veiled poison.

Not according to the in vivo tests done by anyone who uses it, and I wouldn't call your experience personal in this regard.

Double blind placebo controlled trials in the peer reviewed academic press or STFU.

My personal experience with physics tells me that your tyndall effect isn't necessarily caused by a colloid.

True, though a colloid / ion of silver is indeed the only thing produced if we can forgive my small errors and focus on the test at hand.

Proper chemical analyses of the end product done on real lab equipment and published in the peer reviewed academic press or STFU.

 

[anarkus03]

I've been watching this thread, if only because it keeps popping up. I'm absolutely no help posting now, but I'm just gonna lay out some obvious facts and sum it all up.

1. Niocan - Even if you would submit this for peer review, the reviewing peers would most likely mirror topics brought up in this forum. This issue isn't new, and most older uses of silver for medical purposes have been replaced with better ingredients.

2. Even if someone on this forum WERE to replicate your methods, the clinical benefits, side effects, etc. would all need to be handled in a clinical, well funded and regulated setting. The most important aspect isn't how to do it, but if it is effective. Even if we did construct the aparatus, we couldn't test it out to determine its efficacy.

3. Previous literature reviews look quite grim for this already, so you would have to be able to convince someone that this works. Someone in the field with PROPER credentials. Significance over the placebo effect would need to be demonstrated, and it would have to have results that would be beneficial over the side effects, and other products. The antiseptic functions (if that is indeed what you are touting) would have to be significant; either equal to, or better than current products, which has been determined to not be the case.

4. Your original post implies, although subtlely, Big Pharma/Corporation conspiracy. That is a skeptic's forum no no. Your implications state one thing, and the rest of the post is concerned with how to make the device. Again, it is the efficacy of the final product in question, not how to make it.



You can take this stuff until you turn blue (sorry, had to) and not have a significant benefit from it that couldn't be achieved another, more effective way. Significance is the most important issue here.

Cannabis is not "harmless," CS does not make cat's jump better, and anecdotal evidence that you claim (your "cure all") is taken about as seriously as Jeebus did it. Now can we put a headstone on this goddamn thread?

You are giving me diabetes...