Colloidal Silver

[Aught3]

troll/niocan double account?

That was my first thought too the account even has the yin-yang duality thing going. If it was Niocan thought the post was extremely self-congratulatory and he would have to be pretty moronic to make his first post on the colloidal silver thread. I don't know if it is a troll or not, I listen to ImprobableJoe on these matters.

 

[borrofburi]

Niocan, let's take a step back: do you believe in homeopathy, magnet shoes, foot bath detox, rolfing, god, astrology, objective reality, flat earth, geocentric universe, read-your-mind-psychics, know-the-future-psychics, sugar pills, dowsing, talking to the dead, reflexology, levitation, or crystal therapy?

 

[aeroeng314]

he would have to be pretty moronic to make his first post on the colloidal silver thread.

And that would surprise you why?

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Hi Niocan,
I would like to congratulate you on your ability to stay Calm ,Informative and Constructive in this thread you seem to be in the minority !

LOL!

that results can vary depending on the cycle of the moon. I have read it might have something to do with its magnetic influence

ROFL :lol:

 

[Niocan]

Hi Niocan,
I would like to congratulate you on your ability to stay Calm ,Informative and Constructive in this thread you seem to be in the minority !
The way I see it is you have discovered something that can help a lot of people and are trying to encourage others to discover it for themselves (you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink .(especially if its got silver in it ) ) .
(...)
Just thought I would throw my tuppence worth into the thread as it seems so far you are alone in your views on the benefits of colloidal Silver.
Cheers Solos

Thank you ^.^ It's true that no one here has to my knowledge even attempted to try this out themselves, but I'm glad to see you have and it's working. If you have any questions feel free to ask, I'm here to help

 

[darthrender2010]

LOL

 

[Niocan]

Fool me once, shame on me I guess. Though it's only in compensation for your inability to test this simple idea You can laugh all you want, but until it's falsified my idea stands ^.^

 

[scalyblue]

Fool me once, shame on me I guess. Though it's only in compensation for your inability to test this simple idea You can laugh all you want, but until it's falsified my idea stands ^.^

we have provided dozens of studies, proofs on every aspect of your idea; the only thing your idea has to stand on is your delusion that it's working.

 

[Niocan]

What you've done is dabble in the details and hypothesis; Trying to disprove what I've seen myself to be true.. I honestly wouldn't be expressing this idea if I didn't know it's true (and safe) to at least some rather big margin. All I asked was that you test it for yourself, nothing more any scientist would ask for.

 

[borrofburi]

Niocan, let's take a step back: do you believe in homeopathy, magnet shoes, foot bath detox, rolfing, god, astrology, objective reality, flat earth, geocentric universe, read-your-mind-psychics, know-the-future-psychics, sugar pills, dowsing, talking to the dead, reflexology, levitation, or crystal therapy?

 

[Niocan]

My thoughts in regards to anything else other then colloidal silver would be useless to the situation, so why ask? Baiting for other falsely viewed ideologies to use against me? That's rather fallacious of you..

 

[scalyblue]

What you've done is dabble in the details and hypothesis; Trying to prove what I've seen myself to be true.. I honestly wouldn't be expressing this idea if I didn't know it's true (and safe) to at least some rather big margin. All I asked was that you test it for yourself, nothing more any scientist would ask for.

...the hypothesis is yours, the details are what is important. Your integrity means nothing to anybody, your knowledge means nothing to anybody. You have not provided repeatable, demonstrable proof for anything you claim. Nothing.

Here's what you need to prove. This is a chain of proof. If any one of these are not proven, your entire premise is flawed.

Prove that your machine does something. ( I have looked at the schematic, your machine is essentially a continuity tester, and that's only if you included the optional LED )

Prove that your machine, in doing something, performs electrolysis ( Which it might do, as you can perform electrolysis by passing DC through two terminals in any electrolyte )

Prove that electrolysis can occur in distilled water ( it can't )

Prove that electrolysis in distilled water, using silver electrodes, creates a colloidal silver solution. ( So far you only have material X, And no, shining a laser pointer at it is not sufficient)

Prove that this material X is comprised of only water and colloidal silver, not ionic silver. (You haven't done this at all, And no, shining a laser pointer at it is not sufficient)

Determine the concentration of silver colloids in material X (And no, shining a laser pointer at it is not sufficient)

Prove that the machine, under controlled conditions, will produce consistent batches of material X

Prove that material X, were it a colloidal silver solution, has broad spectrum antiseptic properties in vitro (You haven't even tried)

Prove that the broad spectrum antiseptic properties of the solution also work in vivio. You might need some sick mice for this. (You haven't even tried in-vitrio)

Prove that the in vivio antiseptic properties of material X has a greater toxicity to pathogens than to human cells.

Prove that the antiseptic properties of material X are superior to currently accepted therapies.

Prove that material X doesn't have any adverse side effects in long term in vivio usage. (There are many documented cases of argyria, as well as the other symptoms of)

Document all of that impartially and submit it for publication to a legitimate scientific journal. Have other scientists replicate all of your results by following your steps.

Congratuations, you might get a second glance from me.


Furthermore, you knew it was true enough and safe enough to post it in the pseudoscience board.
I call trollbait.

 

[scalyblue]

My thoughts in regards to anything else other then colloidal silver would be useless to the situation, so why ask? Baiting for other falsely viewed ideologies to use against me? That's rather fallacious of you..

you think that
homeopathy, magnet shoes, foot bath detox, rolfing, god, astrology, objective reality, flat earth, geocentric universe, read-your-mind-psychics, know-the-future-psychics, sugar pills, dowsing, talking to the dead, reflexology, levitation, and crystal therapy are ideologies?

 

[borrofburi]

My thoughts in regards to anything else other then colloidal silver would be useless to the situation, so why ask? Baiting for other falsely viewed ideologies to use against me? That's rather fallacious of you..

It's not an argument ad idiocy, I assure you. I also assure you that they aren't useless in this situation, and I would tell you exactly why I asked except that I then think it would be impossible to get a straight answer out of you, so instead I simply ask again:

Niocan, let's take a step back: do you believe in homeopathy, magnet shoes, foot bath detox, rolfing, god, astrology, objective reality, flat earth, geocentric universe, read-your-mind-psychics, know-the-future-psychics, sugar pills, dowsing, talking to the dead, reflexology, levitation, or crystal therapy?

 

[Niocan]

If you're correct scalyblue, it would be very easy to prove me wrong with the bonus being that it won't do a damned thing (won't wreck anything). Three 9volt batteries, three alligator clips, one resistor that's between 54,000 and 27,000 Ohms (.5mA to 1mA current respectfully), two pieces of pure silver and 2-4 cups worth of water. Because it's distilled water the first batch will take 6+ hrs to make, it's a very slow ramp up time but it's the only way to make it (pure) the first time.

At this point all I can say is that if you'd like to disprove all the people who make and use the substance, it's very easy.

 

[ExeFBM]

Unless you can prove that your device is actually manufacturing pure colloidal silver in known concentrations, your experiment is indistinguishable from one setup to demonstrate the placebo effect.

 

[darthrender2010]

Niocan provides so much face palming amusement. Yes, we have to falsify your personal experience, just like we have to falsify the personal experience of cretards eh?

 

[Marcus]

If you're correct scalyblue, it would be very easy to prove me wrong with the bonus being that it won't do a damned thing (won't wreck anything). Three 9volt batteries, three alligator clips, one resistor that's between 54,000 and 27,000 Ohms (.5mA to 1mA current respectfully), two pieces of pure silver and 2-4 cups worth of water. Because it's distilled water the first batch will take 6+ hrs to make, it's a very slow ramp up time but it's the only way to make it (pure) the first time.

At this point all I can say is that if you'd like to disprove all the people who make and use the substance, it's very easy.

As you've been repeatedly told, that isn't how real science works. The burden of proof is entirely on you. Once you have carried out all the steps that any reputable scientist has to do to get a new tratment accepted, that's when other people need to start doing anything beyond asking you to put up or shut up. And by that stage, they won't be trying to "prove you wrong", they'll be trying to replicate your experiment in order to report the results whichever way they go.

So, in short, proper trials documented in a peer reviewed academic journal or STFU.

 

[scalyblue]

If you're correct scalyblue, it would be very easy to prove me wrong with the bonus being that it won't do a damned thing (won't wreck anything). Three 9volt batteries, three alligator clips, one resistor that's between 54,000 and 27,000 Ohms (.5mA to 1mA current respectfully), two pieces of pure silver and 2-4 cups worth of water. Because it's distilled water the first batch will take 6+ hrs to make, it's a very slow ramp up time but it's the only way to make it (pure) the first time.

At this point all I can say is that if you'd like to disprove all the people who make and use the substance, it's very easy.

Burden of proof is on you, it's *your* hypothesis.

Hey, did you know that burning twenty dollar bills generates more heat than burning gasoline? Go try it yourself, if you don't believe me. Because the money's been in your pocket, it might take a bit to get it lit up.

I don't need to prove you wrong dear, science has already proven you wrong for me. It's kinda neat, you know, reading schematics and understanding them. Reading about chemistry and biology and understanding it? You should really give it a try some time.

Here, let me try to attack this a different way. Why do you use 3 9 volt batteries, why not 2, or 4? Why not an inverter or a switching power supply? Why not 18 double AA cells? Why not a camera cell? Why use 54 or 27k resistors? What type of resistor should I use here? C comp, C film, Thin film, Thick film, Wound Wire? How much current do we need applied to the load? Why even use a resistor if it's a closed circuit, why not change the power source? Do you know anything about electronics?

 

[Niocan]

I've already proven this to myself, and to go above and beyond for your ego's seems rather pointless. If you don't want to try it, then don't, I'm not making you do anything.

I called it out on the very first post, that this would be an endless regression of nitpicking until someone tried it for themselves...
Do what thou wilt, and thanks for the bumps