Church will Burn Koran on 9/11

[JustBusiness17]

 

[Anachronous Rex]

It's been mentioned in Religion/Irreligion.

All the same, sort of disturbingly typical. Savonarola would be proud.

 

[JustBusiness17]

It's been mentioned in Religion/Irreligion.

This is really recent... Which thread is miscategorized?

 

[Aught3]

Link to the other thread which has been up for 3-4 days already: http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=72197#p72197

There's also my blog post from last week: http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk/literature/451°-celsius/

Which thread is miscategorized?

Neither, it could have gone in either forum depending on how you wanted to portray the issue.

 

[JustBusiness17]

Which thread is miscategorized?

Neither, it could have gone in either forum depending on how you wanted to portray the issue.

So what differentiates a discussion between the news here and the news in another forum? It must be rather nuanced, no?

 

[Aught3]

So what differentiates a discussion between the news here and the news in another forum? It must be rather nuanced, no?

Not really. If you just want to report on a recent event it goes in the news forum, if you want a discussion on a particular issue raised by the story then your OP probably belongs in a different section. Fairly simple really, but the mods can always shift the topic if needed.

 

[JustBusiness17]

So what differentiates a discussion between the news here and the news in another forum? It must be rather nuanced, no?

Not really. If you just want to report on a recent event it goes in the news forum, if you want a discussion on a particular issue raised by the story then your OP probably belongs in a different section. Fairly simple really, but the mods can always shift the topic if needed.

So the news forum is where you post recent events that don't warrant discussion?

 

[Aught3]

Strawman! :lol:

Tell you what, if you're having trouble pop me a PM when you make a news thread and I'll check if you've got it right.

 

[lrkun]

I have a question.

Suposing I was to post a news article. That is my intention. Now someone comments on it, then others comment on it which results to a debate between different individuals. Is it okay that I posted such in the news section or it will be moved to some other section?

 

[JustBusiness17]

Strawman! :lol:

Tell you what, if you're having trouble pop me a PM when you make a news thread and I'll check if you've got it right.

Ok, so the news forum is where you post recent events where the OP doesn't want to encourage a specific discussion? Is that closer to what you were trying to say?

 

[JustBusiness17]

I have a question.

Suposing I was to post a news article. That is my intention. Now someone comments on it, then others comment on it which results to a debate between different individuals. Is it okay that I posted such in the news section or it will be moved to some other section?

Excellent question and one which is at the heart of my own confusion.

 

[Aught3]

If you just want to report on a recent event it goes in the news forum, if you want a discussion on a particular issue raised by the story then your OP probably belongs in a different section.

 

[JustBusiness17]

If you just want to report on a recent event it goes in the news forum, if you want a discussion on a particular issue raised by the story then your OP probably belongs in a different section.

So replying in the news forum should be locked and all discussions raised by the story should be posted as new threads in other sections? That actually doesn't sound unreasonable.

Edit: Sorry, I should explain my inference. A thread posted in this section is likely to raise discussions. Those discussions are a result of particular issues raised by the story which you state belongs in a different section. Thus, all discussions that result from stories posted in the news forum belong in other sections - Hence, locking the reply function in the news forum seems to be the most logical course of action.

Further: An added benefit of locking the reply function in this forum would be maintaining a chronological history of news stories.

 

[australopithecus]

You posted it here because you thought it was newsworthy, it was posted in the Religion forum because it's a religious issue. 1 topic, 2 distinct lines of debate. Theological and political. What's not to get?

 

[JustBusiness17]

You posted it here because you thought it was newsworthy, it was posted in the Religion forum because it's a religious issue. 1 topic, 2 distinct lines of debate. Theological and political. What's not to get?

What do you mean by 'political'? There's a section for that as well...

 

[Prolescum]

Oh lordy...

 

[australopithecus]

You posted it here because you thought it was newsworthy, it was posted in the Religion forum because it's a religious issue. 1 topic, 2 distinct lines of debate. Theological and political. What's not to get?

What do you mean by 'political'? There's a section for that as well...

I'm inclined to ask: So? This is a internet forum, not a multinational business or a military regiment., It's not neat, it's not tidy and it's not going to be either. It doesn't matter or will never matter. If the mods want to move a thread they will, until then perhaps debating the subject rather than debating where the subject should/shouldn't be would be more productive.

For someone who made such a song and dance about leaving the forum you really haven't followed through on that claim.

 

[JustBusiness17]

If the mods want to move a thread they will, until then perhaps debating the subject rather than debating where the subject should/shouldn't be would be more productive.

If debating subjects is the goal, then posting in the 'News' forum is more than a little counter productive. I crunched some numbers to support that claim. I took data from the 5th pages of the 'News' forum and the 'Science and Math' forum (the forum with the smallest number of replies/topic) and found the following results:

'Science and Math' forum
Range = 48 posts (all threads greater than 50 posts were ignored as outliers)
Sample Size = 21 threads
Average Posts/thread = 11.57
Sample Standard Deviation = 12.63
Total Posts = 243

'News' forum
Range = 13 posts (three '0 post threads' were excluded from the data set to compensate for the outliers excluded from the other sample)
Sample Size = 21 threads
Average Posts/thread = 4.71
Sample Standard Deviation = 4.77
Total Posts = 99

Even with some statistical generosity, it seems the 'News' forum is unmatched against the weakest forum in the 'Reason' section. When you consider that the majority of threads in the 'News' forum would actually be categorized into the most popular sections, it's really no comparison. You could argue that many of the threads would have similar post counts regardless of where they were posted, but I would argue otherwise.


To conclude a debate that the moderators of the site have been avoiding since I first brought it up, I direct you to a few wise words by LoR's fearless leader:

AndromedasWake[/color]"]1. In the interest of not setting up too many forums (currently considering formal debates and guests area) i'd rather people just post news wherever they feel is relevant. For example, science journalism under science and mathematics. General news is fine in General Discussion.

I happen to agree and have yet to find the discussion which justified the creation of the news forum. Despite several attempts on my part to get the reasoning behind the decision, nobody has provided any serious justification for it's continued existence. In fact, its apparent that the mods would rather disrespect me as a member of the community than address the issue at hand. This leads me to believe they have absolutely no rationale to support 'News' forum's existence whatsoever. But please, continue to dodge the question and treat me like a leper for no good reason. In fact, after all the fucking hoops you've made me jump through over this rather straight forward concern of mine, I hope you leave the 'News' forum exactly as it is. The costs to the community are more than worth its value in spite :lol:

 

[Andiferous]

Perhaps to be further accurate, this thread could be titled "The lots of arguing about almost nothing discussion."

:facepalm:

 

[lrkun]

Said church acts in a none christian manner.