A justification for abortion

[australopithecus]

Are abortions at 9 months even legal anyway? :|

I am pretty sure that there is no legal limit as what month you can terminate a pregnancy in Canada and China.

China is mental, also it's not very forthcoming with stats so I can't comment. Canada however is different. You are indeed correct, there is no legal limit, though statistically 0.8% (2003) of abortions in Canada were performed over 20 weeks of gestation.
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/StatsCan-gestation-times-1995-2003.xls

Methinks your referral to abortions at 9 months (40 weeks) is ever-so slightly an exaggeration.

 

[Aught3]

A new born baby is also absolutely dependent on the mother, or at least someone, [for] nutrients and a safe environment.

Emphasis mine. Indeed, and that is the distinction I am drawing.

 

[tuxbox]

China is mental,....

Agreed

Canada however is different. You are indeed correct, there is no legal limit, though statistically 0.8% (2003) of abortions in Canada were performed over 20 weeks of gestation.
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/StatsCan-gestation-times-1995-2003.xls

Methinks your referral to abortions at 9 months (40 weeks) is ever-so slightly an exaggeration.

Indeed it is an over exaggeration at 9 months, or anytime in the third trimester, but the fact that it does happen makes me a little sick at my stomach.

 

[tuxbox]

Emphasis mine. Indeed, and that is the distinction I am drawing.

Thanks for the grammar correction.

 

[Andiferous]

Emphasis mine. Indeed, and that is the distinction I am drawing.

Thanks for the grammar correction.

Welcome to crazy forums, Tux. But I must ask of you: What is Amniocentesis?

I'm not trying to pick on you - I am just curious about your perspective in these matters. From what I know, babies in the Canadian health system that show symptoms of great anomaly are addressed by the medical community, mother and father immediately. When anomaly is expected, women are usually asked to go through tests by about four months of pregnancy.

Pregnancy/abortion in the second/third trimester is difficult over here. It's important to give facts according to this.

 

[tuxbox]

Welcome to crazy forums, Tux. But I must ask of you: What is Amniocentesis?

Thanks for the welcome. Without Googling, I could only guess what amniocentesis might be.

I'm not trying to pick on you - I am just curious about your perspective in these matters. From what I know, babies in the Canadian health system that show symptoms of great anomaly are addressed by the medical community, mother and father immediately. When anomaly is expected, women are usually asked to go through tests by about four months of pregnancy.

Pregnancy/abortion in the second/third trimester is difficult over here. It's important to give facts according to this.

I do not take other peoples responses to my posts personally. Even if you were picking on me, I opened the door by posting my opinions here.

 

[Andiferous]

Welcome to crazy forums, Tux. But I must ask of you: What is Amniocentesis?

Thanks for the welcome. Without Googling, I could only guess what amniocentesis might be.

I'm not trying to pick on you - I am just curious about your perspective in these matters. From what I know, babies in the Canadian health system that show symptoms of great anomaly are addressed by the medical community, mother and father immediately. When anomaly is expected, women are usually asked to go through tests by about four months of pregnancy.

Pregnancy/abortion in the second/third trimester is difficult over here. It's important to give facts according to this.

I do not take other peoples responses to my posts personally. Even if you were picking on me, I opened the door by posting my opinions here.

I'd put a lot less stock in your opinions if you flung them around so lightly, really. :shock:

Defend them in earnest, and I will be interested.

 

[tuxbox]

Welcome to crazy forums, Tux. But I must ask of you: What is Amniocentesis?

After doing some research in amniocentesis, and have now formed an opinion. It would appear that this procedure is performed as early as the 11 week of pregnancy, but most are performed at 15 weeks. I am exactly sure at what point the fetus becomes aware, but at 18 weeks the fetus is able to hear. That would indicate brain function, and in my opinion that is when it becomes a human being capable of feeling pain. So if you are suggesting that abortions done after an abnormality is found due to the amniocentesis procedure is justified, then I would have to say I disagree. I know for a fact that it is possible for a baby to survive outside the womb at 22 weeks of pregnancy (though this is rare). So, I do not see a difference between a 22 week fetus and a one minute old new born. Both are capable of surviving no matter what it's physical or health condition might be.

So my question to you is this: If it found that a fetus has the possibility of having a some abnormality, such as Down Syndrome knowing that at 18 weeks the fetus is capable of hearing, is it justified in killing the fetus? If your answer is yes, then why is not okay to kill a one minute old new born with the same abnormality?

 

[Aught3]

So my question to you is this: If it found that a fetus has the possibility of having a some abnormality, such as Down Syndrome knowing that at 18 weeks the fetus is capable of hearing, is it justified in killing the fetus? If your answer is yes, then why is not okay to kill a one minute old new born with the same abnormality?

Well this is the point I made in the blog post. It's not about killing the foetus, it is about removing it from the uterus. That is the difference between a foetus and a one minute old new born. If the foetus survives extraction from the womb it becomes that one minute old new born.

 

[tuxbox]

Well this is the point I made in the blog post. It's not about killing the foetus, it is about removing it from the uterus. That is the difference between a foetus and a one minute old new born. If the foetus survives extraction from the womb it becomes that one minute old new born.

The extraction of the fetus, as performed by an abortion, is guaranteed to kill it, and the procedure is not performed in hopes that it will survive.

 

[Aught3]

Well this is the point I made in the blog post. It's not about killing the foetus, it is about removing it from the uterus. That is the difference between a foetus and a one minute old new born. If the foetus survives extraction from the womb it becomes that one minute old new born.

The extraction of the fetus, as performed by an abortion, is guaranteed to kill it, and the procedure is not performed in hopes that it will survive.

I agree with your premise, but what is your conclusion?

 

[tuxbox]

I agree with your premise, but what is your conclusion?

I believe when the fetus has grown to a certain point it becomes a human being and should be given the same rights a the one minute old new born. At that point abortion should be illegal, unless the mother's life is in danger if carried to full term.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

You know, I did a whole debate on the subject...

 

[tuxbox]

You know, I did a whole debate on the subject...

Where do you stand on this issue, if you do not mind me asking??

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Where do you stand on this issue, if you do not mind me asking??

My position is that there's good eating on a fetus.

 

[tuxbox]

My position is that there's good eating on a fetus.

Taste anything like chicken?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Taste anything like chicken?

Not that they ever let you try, but I always assumed a somewhat briny taste on account of marinating in amniotic fluid for months on end.

 

[tuxbox]

Not that they ever let you try, but I always assumed a somewhat briny taste on account of marinating in amniotic fluid for months on end.

lol

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Seriously, I think we privilege fetuses entirely too much in general. They aren't people. Newborns are barely people. Might be humans, not really people. My cat that is currently trying to get my attention by rubbing her cold nose against my arm is more of a person than a fetus or a newborn.

 

[tuxbox]

Seriously, I think we privilege fetuses entirely too much in general. They aren't people. Newborns are barely people. Might be humans, not really people.

I respectfully disagree.

My cat that is currently trying to get my attention by rubbing her cold nose against my arm is more of a person than a fetus or a newborn.

Somewhat agree...