Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
But it IS black and white that the conspiracy theories aren't worth a bucket of sour owl poop. There is a wide spectrum of ideas about 9-11 that manage to not descend into Cloud Cuckoo Land. Are the official reports skewed to paint the government in the best possible light? Possibly. Could the information given to the investigators be tainted by people looking to cover their asses and minimize the appearance of incompetence? Possibly.Nemesis said:Its not just black and white, "the official truth" or "the conspiracy truth".
Nemesis said:Its not just black and white, "the official truth" or "the conspiracy truth".
ImprobableJoe said:But it IS black and white that the conspiracy theories aren't worth a bucket of sour owl poop. ...
Is there any evidence or logical reason to believe that the WTC towers were blown up by explosives, and the plane crashes were just a ruse? Not a fucking chance. It isn't "impossible" of course, it is just REALLY STUPID.
Whisperelmwood said:I'm sick of the 9/11 conspiracy nutts. Seriously. What actually happened was bad enough, without adding in all the crap about Bush being in on it.
Whisperelmwood said:I'm sick of the 9/11 conspiracy nutts. Seriously. What actually happened was bad enough, without adding in all the crap about Bush being in on it.
ebbixx said:suggest to me that Bush's failures as an executive did make the events more likely, and defeated several chances at prevention.
That's just what I said. There's no doubt that there is more blame to go around than was taken credit for. The people in charge made sure that the investigation painted them in the best possible light.ebbixx said:Define "being in on it"?
While the conspiracy theory, overt "in on it" notions may be crap, I've certainly read many mainstream reports that, reading between the lines, suggest to me that Bush's failures as an executive did make the events more likely, and defeated several chances at prevention. In my book that adds up to culpability, but not necessarily intention.
I'll almost certainly be dead by the time there's a real consensus on the question, though.
So, you're an "anti-zionist" but not a conspiracy theorist? Interesting... batshit crazy, but interesting. :lol:XC(A)libur said:As far as it being a zionist inside job, that is really the only group of people I could see having a motive of operating like that, and actual gaining from it. But as far as evidence goes, there is none proving that 9/11 was an actual zionist job. Most of the 9/11 truth is just fanatacism and rejection of reasoning.
Why? Because it is evidence of nothing relating to delusional 9-11 conspiracy nonsense.Synystyr said:Look up USS Liberty
Why, because you made a snarky comment trying to straw man a political position. Being anti-[group] doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, or otherwise batshit crazy. Two fallacies in one, here's your combo points. I brought up the Liberty because whether or not you believe that was premeditated, zionism and support for it demonstrably threatens our safety and ideals, as does any other fundamentalist belief. Is Richard Dawkins a conspiracy theorist?ImprobableJoe said:Why? Because it is evidence of nothing relating to delusional 9-11 conspiracy nonsense.
No, but it helps. Much like conspiracy theorists, you've presented an old, isolated incident as proof that [group] is evil. Granted, you are a far cry from spamming "WAKE UP PEOPLE!" But even if you could prove that the motivations for the attack were sinister and not a misunderstanding, an incident that is over 40 years old speaks little to the nation's current motivations. From what I know about the history of the Israeli Defense Force, its not outside the realm of possibility that the USS Liberty attack was just a friendly-fire scenario gone horribly wrong. They have a habit of responding excessively when attacked. Look at the Jordan incident. I'm not saying they're innocent, but wouldn't you be a little jumpy if every single one of the nations bordering you wanted to see your country and its people nuked to dust?Synystyr said:Being anti-[group] doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, or otherwise batshit crazy.
Reality doesn't make any sort of dent on a conspiracy theorist. I made a comment about how someone can reject your particular stupidity, and still believe some other potentially stupid thing themselves. You have 9-11 delusions, XC(A)libur has Zionist delusions, neither one of you have both feet planted in reality.Synystyr said:Why, because you made a snarky comment trying to straw man a political position. Being anti-[group] doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist, or otherwise batshit crazy. Two fallacies in one, here's your combo points. I brought up the Liberty because whether or not you believe that was premeditated, zionism and support for it demonstrably threatens our safety and ideals, as does any other fundamentalist belief. Is Richard Dawkins a conspiracy theorist?
Now, to be fair, Israel's hardliner government is a little bit deluded when it comes to external threats. But that's neither here nor there... except that some of us can disagree with some part of a government's behavior without resorting to demonizing an entire people, or making up ridiculous conspiracy theories.Finger said:No, but it helps. Much like conspiracy theorists, you've presented an old, isolated incident as proof that [group] is evil. Granted, you are a far cry from spamming "WAKE UP PEOPLE!" But even if you could prove that the motivations for the attack were sinister and not a misunderstanding, an incident that is over 40 years old speaks little to the nation's current motivations. From what I know about the history of the Israeli Defense Force, its not outside the realm of possibility that the USS Liberty attack was just a friendly-fire scenario gone horribly wrong. They have a habit of responding excessively when attacked. Look at the Jordan incident. I'm not saying they're innocent, but wouldn't you be a little jumpy if every single one of the nations bordering you wanted to see your country and its people nuked to dust?