24 chromosomes proves God???

[Whisperelmwood]

Someone help me debunk this, I don't understand genetics etc as well as I should to be able to throw this one down the nearest toilet:

Jesusisthetruevine:

- His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.-

- This is scientific evidence that Jesus IS GOD.-

Whisperelmwood:

No, it isnt. Even if it was Jesus' blood, all it would prove was that Jesus had a few things different about his blood. Thats it.

Jesusisthetruevine:

-You are wrong here. 24 Chromosomes is unique. It proves the virgin birth because Mary did not have intercourse. normal humans have 48, 23 come from both mother and father. His blood cells were ALIVE, so that proves he is God, because that defies all natural law. Everyone elses blood would be DEAD, never mind alive after 2000+ years. A Geneticist, Dr Eugene Dunkley, says that 24 chromosomes proves a virgin birth:

http://anchorstone.com/ASI-Newsletters/Ark-of-the-Covenant-Update.html

This is just one part of a whole huge THING I'm going through with Jesusisthetruevine >> I'll post the entire debate to the Archives in a bit.

Also, this particular conversation snippit is regarding: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/videos.htm

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Sorry... really, the debunking is that the guy is quoting someone who is just making shit up. It just isn't true. It is a Christian lie, that other Christians believe because their lying leaders tell them it is true.

This is one of those cases where you shouldn't even attempt to apply rational analysis to the claim... because there's absolutely no substance to the claim. Don't fall into the "even if it is true" trap. The truth is that none of the Jesus stuff is real.

 

[Whisperelmwood]

Sorry... really, the debunking is that the guy is quoting someone who is just making shit up. It just isn't true. It is a Christian lie, that other Christians believe because their lying leaders tell them it is true.

This is one of those cases where you shouldn't even attempt to apply rational analysis to the claim... because there's absolutely no substance to the claim. Don't fall into the "even if it is true" trap. The truth is that none of the Jesus stuff is real.

I really did try that already >>

Jesusisthetruevine:

- His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.-

Whisperelmwood:

Where did they get this blood? Where's the evidence that this blood was ever found? Where's the evidence that is was tested? Where''s the evidence that it was Jesus blood? Wheres the evidence that it was even old enough to be Jesus blood? Where's the evidence that it only had 24 chromosomes? That video shows me nothing more than an anecdote that could very easily be completely and utterly made up. Show me evidence, and I might take it slightly more seriously.

See?

I think I may very well end up repeating myself c.c

 

[GoodKat]

Ask him for a source with no motivation to lie.

 

[irmerk]

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

Bam!

His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.-
- This is scientific evidence that Jesus IS GOD.

If it was scientific evidence that Jesus is God, then he should have no problem using the evidence to prove such a claim: The onus is on him to prove it.

24 Chromosomes is unique. It proves the virgin birth because Mary did not have intercourse. normal humans have 48, 23 come from both mother and father. His blood cells were ALIVE, so that proves he is God, because that defies all natural law. Everyone elses blood would be DEAD, never mind alive after 2000+ years. A Geneticist, Dr Eugene Dunkley, says that 24 chromosomes proves a virgin birth: URL

First, he must prove the blood he found is alive. Next, he must prove the blood is Jesus' blood. Then, he must explain why an asexual reproduction with half the information could result in a human. Then, he would need to connect the blood living to God (blood living proves nothing; again, the onus is on him). Then, he would have to backpedal and explain how he is claiming irrefutable scientific evidence on something he himself claims is defiant of natural law (got paradox?).

His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.-

By whom? Credentials and peer reviewed proof and evidence?

Some of this may be a reiteration of what you have already said, and for that I am sorry. I have no expertise whatsoever in genetics, chemistry, carbon dating, biology or something similar; however, I like to think I can call bullshit. Make sure you keep on the track of, "The onus is on the claimer to prove the claim." Do not get sucked into trying to disprove anything because it presumes whatever is attempted to be disproved is valid.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Anyone showing human blood with 24 chromosomes that was still alive after 2000 years would win every science award in existence. Anyone who could link that blood to Jesus would create a billion converts overnight. So why are they keeping this a secret? Isn't that a question you could ask? If it is true, they could share their results with the world, and leave a billion Muslims with egg on their face, and another few billion people in awe and willing to question their beliefs.

Yet... no independent confirmation. No sharing results with the scientific community. Nothing that people with real evidence would do in the real world. Instead, we see the same behavior as any other scam artist. They could be selling a perpetual motion machine or a flying car with the same behavior.

 

[irmerk]

Anyone showing human blood with 24 chromosomes that was still alive after 2000 years would win every science award in existence.

I go through all the trouble of my long post and Joe comes in here and concisely sums it up.

 

[Ozymandyus]

Wow 24 chromosomes eh? Funny, because we only have 23 chromosome pairs. Presumably he is saying that Jesus had one copy of each of chromsomes 1-22, and then an X and Y chromosome (necessary if he was a man), but a Y could not have come from Mary, as she would not have a y chromosome. Even when they try to make up science they can't get anything right.

Anyway, a human could not even survive to birth with 24 chromosomes. It's completely inconceivable. For Blood to be ALIVE... ridiculous in itself. Blood is technically dead by default, it does not reproduce or exhibit most of the other qualities of life. What standards of alive is he using?

This is hilarious though.

IJ said it pretty well while I was writing this... I guess I don't have to post this. But I will anyway.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Wow 24 chromosomes eh? Funny, because we only have 23 chromosome pairs. Presumably he is saying that Jesus had one copy of each of chromsomes 1-22, and then an X and Y chromosome (necessary if he was a man), but a Y could not have come from Mary, as she would not have a y chromosome. Even when they try to make up science they can't get anything right.

Anyway, a human could not even survive to birth with 24 chromosomes. It's completely inconceivable. For Blood to be ALIVE... ridiculous in itself. Blood is technically dead by default, it does not reproduce or exhibit most of the other qualities of life. What standards of alive is he using?

This is hilarious though.

IJ said it pretty well while I was writing this... I guess I don't have to post this. But I will anyway.

It is all... MAGIC! That's the problem. When you're dealing with magic, anything can happen, nothing needs evidence, and there's no way to change a believer's mind.

 

[Whisperelmwood]

Thanks for the help all, I did pretty much use everything everyone said anyway XD

I'll post the ENTIRE thing in archives once my reply has been sent off - it's a little TL;DR, but amusing nonetheless.

 

[irmerk]

 

[Aught3]

Wow 24 chromosomes eh? Funny, because we only have 23 chromosome pairs. Presumably he is saying that Jesus had one copy of each of chromsomes 1-22, and then an X and Y chromosome (necessary if he was a man), but a Y could not have come from Mary, as she would not have a y chromosome.

Wow, I can't believe you managed to work out his 'logic'. I just couldn't understand how he came up with 24 chromosomes I guess he knew just enough to realise Jesus would need a Y chromosome.

I was thinking the christian meant 24 pairs which would have made Jesus similar to a chimpanzee in terms of karyotype.

 

[Whisperelmwood]

Yupp, that's precisely it - he pretty much copy-pasata'd his entire 24 chromosome thing from the website he linked to.

The website makes for some frustrating reading/watching by the way >>

 

[Xulld]

Well apes have 24 chromosomes.

So if they proved that Jesus had 24 Chromosomes, and that the blood found was Jesus's then they have proved that Jesus was an ape teleported through time from before humans split off genetically from apes.

Thats my theory and I am sticking to it!

 

[Whisperelmwood]

Well apes have 24 chromosomes.

So if they proved that Jesus had 24 Chromosomes, and that the blood found was Jesus's then they have proved that Jesus was an ape teleported through time from before humans split off genetically from apes.

Thats my theory and I am sticking to it!

*lol* gods, I'm wishing you'd said that before I sent my reply off XD

 

[ImprobableJoe]

*lol* gods, I'm wishing you'd said that before I sent my reply off XD

LOL, Google is your friend!

 

[Whisperelmwood]

LOL, Google is your friend!

*shamed*

XD

 

[ImprobableJoe]

*shamed*

XD

Don't feel bad... I only knew it once Xulld mentioned it. I have read that before, but it didn't automatically pop into my head. Google is also MY friend, and I forget the fact to my eternal regret.

 

[Xulld]

I only recently started studying evo. Its still fresh, give it some time my sieve of a mind will let it or something related slip. Love me some google.

 

[Spase]

I was thinking the christian meant 24 pairs which would have made Jesus similar to a chimpanzee in terms of karyotype.

Jesus was a monkey. He's right. It's proof.