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Zombies
- Thread starter Vanlavak
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No, because zombies aren't alive, they're undead.
You do raise an interesting point, though, albeit unconnected.
Since, at the crucifixion, all the dead were alleged to have risen up and walked into Jerusalem, how could we tell which was the particular zombie we were supposed to have worshipped? I mean, if Jeebus' rising from the dead was supposed to have signified his divinity, and rising from the dead being clearly such a mundane event, is it possible that we chose the wrong messiah?
You do raise an interesting point, though, albeit unconnected.
Since, at the crucifixion, all the dead were alleged to have risen up and walked into Jerusalem, how could we tell which was the particular zombie we were supposed to have worshipped? I mean, if Jeebus' rising from the dead was supposed to have signified his divinity, and rising from the dead being clearly such a mundane event, is it possible that we chose the wrong messiah?
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Is it? Please elaborate.
RichardMNixon
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"Legally dead" is an interesting way to put it. These guys are legally dead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Dead_People
Lal Bihari, my favorite zombie politician, fought very hard to give zombies their property rights back.
Lal Bihari, my favorite zombie politician, fought very hard to give zombies their property rights back.
Life and death and pretty clearly seperated, but lets check...
A zombie by definition is: the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.
Mhm... that is pretty unconvincing. I also cannot believe in that variety magic and also reject Deity brand magic without automatically being a hypocrite, therefore...
My hypothesis is that Zombies do not exist.
A zombie by definition is: the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.
Mhm... that is pretty unconvincing. I also cannot believe in that variety magic and also reject Deity brand magic without automatically being a hypocrite, therefore...
My hypothesis is that Zombies do not exist.
I once saw a video of some scientists from the USSR bringing a head of a dead dog back alive by pumping blood and oxygen in it. I'm not sure if it was a real video or not. The head seemed to have basic motor skills but it raises some interesting questions.
If you would bring a dead person back alive after an hour or something, how would he act? There would be permanent brain damage for sure, after how much time would the brain seize to function alltogether?
If you would bring a dead person back alive after an hour or something, how would he act? There would be permanent brain damage for sure, after how much time would the brain seize to function alltogether?
Leà§i said:
How very morbid.
Yet... I am strangely intrigued...
Okay then, we start with definitions.
Death: The act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.
Brain death: The complete cessation of brain function as evidenced by absence of brain-wave activity on an electroencephalogram
So...
What exactly is there to talk about?
If you inject oxygenated blood into a corpse it is just a corpse with oxygenate blood being pumped into it.
The organism cannot be classed as living because it need external intervention to remain 'alive'.
If the organism' brain cannot function then it cannot be considered to be living because it cannot independently keep itself alive.
Ergo, it is dead.
On the other hand, if a corpse is revived before total brain death...
Meaning all vital organ can function properly then it is alive.
How long it will remain alive depends on whether it is able to proform normal functions such as eating without aid.
Not... a particularly good life, depending on the degree of brain death, but a life none the less.
As I said before, Life and death are pretty clearly seperated from each other.
Or perhaps you were expecting something a tad more fanciful...
Giliell
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There are some accounts of people who were hanged, declared dead and "came back to life"
Since they'd "done their turn" they were free to go
Half-hanged Maggie
Mary Webster
Since they'd "done their turn" they were free to go
Half-hanged Maggie
Mary Webster
Speaking of external source, do you think it was possible that a non-material being used some "advanced" "science" to restore Jesus to his alive and healthy state? He was dead for three days, so an external source (soul?) could have used "advanced" "science" to re-animate one's own corpse, given that the person has to know-how to do this when they're dead as a lump of coal in the body.Exmortis said:
Vanlavak said:
"Do you think it was possible that a non-material being used some "advanced" "science" to restore Jesus"
Do go on...
"An external source (soul?) could have used "advanced" "science" to re-animate one's own corpse, given that the person has to know-how to do this when they're dead as a lump of coal in the body"
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Self ressurection... No... It doesn't sound plausible in the slightest...
Skipping over the confusing...
Let's say that someone else made a imprint of his 'soul' and tried to put it back into his corpse; just so we do not waste a post with a completely meaningless comment...
Lets start by assuming that the soul represents a perfect copy of the dead person's consciousness, taken while they were alive...
Everyone okay with that...?
Let's also run off the basis that Jesus is not magic...
Now, the body in question has been deprived of oxygen for about three days...
And when someone's heart stops pumping blood around their body, the tissues and cells are deprived of oxygen and rapidly begin to die....
Typically, the human brain can go for about 3 to 5 minutes without oxygen before irreversible brain damage begins to occur, and 9 minutes is usually the point where brain death will occur and all electrical function stops...
Even if a soul was placed inside Jesus' brain, it would serve no purpose...
It's container, the brain for all intents and purposes, is as dead as a doornail...
And I imagine that without a physical vessel through which to effect the body the soul is basically useless...
Making good use one of my many generally outstanding metaphors...
It is like injecting blood into someone with no heart...
Oh, and obviously, core functions would fail to operate, both volentary and involentary movement would be impossible...
As a result such the ressurected man would die again... probably instantaniously... if it is accurate to say he came back to life at all...
Additionally, since Jesus's brain is unable to sustain vital functions I somehow doubt that he will have to capacity to house a living consciousness in any sense of the word.
Jesus was dead for three days...
That is 4320 minutes...
It takes about 10 minutes for brain death in humans...
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*Cough*
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He's dead Jim...
kenandkids
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I've "died" three times. Does this mean that I am thrice as godlike as christ? Or does it mean that my brain still had the power to function even though my heart had stopped working? I think the latter...
)O( Hytegia )O(
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Hm.
How about we slap the all-reknowned ideal of RPGs and Fantasy onto it (since, it's obvious that actual "undead" cannot occur in real life):
The difference in being a Zombie and being Ressurected, according to DnD, is that Zombies are simply vessels, given symbolance of life, whereas those that are resurrected have the full "Spark of Life" (as said in Promethian from the World of Darkness series).
For someone to be actually Resurrected, there must be a literal "life force" in the original body that it was initially in, and (hopefully) after some serious work being done to repair what caused them to croak in the first place.
For something to be a Zombie, it does not matter if the body is the same, or made entirely anew. It does not require a "life force" - simply some other driving force that makes it move.
How about we slap the all-reknowned ideal of RPGs and Fantasy onto it (since, it's obvious that actual "undead" cannot occur in real life):
The difference in being a Zombie and being Ressurected, according to DnD, is that Zombies are simply vessels, given symbolance of life, whereas those that are resurrected have the full "Spark of Life" (as said in Promethian from the World of Darkness series).
For someone to be actually Resurrected, there must be a literal "life force" in the original body that it was initially in, and (hopefully) after some serious work being done to repair what caused them to croak in the first place.
For something to be a Zombie, it does not matter if the body is the same, or made entirely anew. It does not require a "life force" - simply some other driving force that makes it move.
)O( Hytegia )O(
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Exmortis said:
*MAGIC*
If you didn't notice, I was quoting RPGs and Fantasy Novels in there.
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