Your thoughts on how to stop/diminish fileshearing.

[stratos]

So what,´s your idea on how to diminish illegal fileshearing on the Internet

By shifting the top of the file icon a little to the right and the bottom a little to the left. :lol:

But seriously.
Give distributors of media more control in terms of licenses, as apart to giving copyright holders cart blanche. For instance, I'm pretty sure the pirate bay made heaps of money from their ads on the website. Now give copyright holders a fair percentage of the profits from their website in exchange for the free distribution of content.

Old media is too absorbed by control and restrictive licenses, while they should just be concerned with money, there's more then one way to make money off media, just charging for use certainly isn't the only way.

Of course this isn't anything new. Many services already exist that do just this, spotify and radiostations with music, tv stations, hulu and cruncyroll with video, to just name a few examples.

Basically consummation of copyrighted material as a service, instead of a product.

why do you think people do fileshare/download from the Internet??

Because the supplies of illegal content are better then the suppliers of legal content. And certainly not just on the price point. The second sony finally introduces streaming HD movies on demand in my country my illegal movie downloads will probably drop by 80% at least, if the price point is comparable to the US. Same with spotify, albeit I don't really download music any more, I just buy it on itunes.

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

My view is that if you think something is good enough to have, it should be good enough to pay for. If you aren't willing to pay for things that people are selling, you don't have any right to get them for free. I think the complete lack of basic ethics and decency in this thread is both disturbing and disgusting.

I find your complete detachment from reality in this thread hilarious.

Suppose that you have this ingenious idea of keeping beverages cool by putting a bit of ice in it. It has never occurred to anyone else to do this. This is definitely an idea that people are willing to have and some of them are willing to pay you for it. However, after a couple of people have paid for this idea, you find that there are people who are putting ice in their drinks to whom you don't recall selling this information. Next thing you know, so many people are drinking iced drinks that you know they didn't all pay for it!

Do you think it's reasonable to be able to sue all these people for alleged loss of revenue? This is the state of modern copyright...

Also, do you think that all ethics (and decency, I guess) should be enforced through legislation?

 

[creamcheese]

My view is that if you think something is good enough to have, it should be good enough to pay for. If you aren't willing to pay for things that people are selling, you don't have any right to get them for free. I think the complete lack of basic ethics and decency in this thread is both disturbing and disgusting.

So if I am unwilling to pay for books then I should just stop going to the library?

I am willing to pay for information, but if I can get it for free, why should I pay?

Information is not a concrete thing, and trying to sell something that is essentially copyable to all humans is insane. Simple supply and demand. Information has essentially unlimited supply [there is no limit to the number of people who can learn an idea, provided the people exist in the first place], thus, no matter how much demand there is for it, there will always be enough to go around. Placing artificial restrictions on supply is not easy and ultimately doomed to failure.

We might choose to celebrate those that come up with the ideas, but if the society doesn't think they are worth a certain amount, they will not be awarded compensation. Trying to impose artificial values on an idea in order to profit from its sale strikes me as far more morally corrupt than acquiring an idea for free.

 

[pdka2004]

I think what i-tunes has taught us is that for the most part people (myself included) are willing to pay for song and album downloads, as long as the downloading is easy and available to all. The recording companies and many artists (i am looking at you metallica) blew their chance to take a lead on this, so i dont really feel sorry for them personally. But they are slowly changing their business models to suit current trends - even though they are not nearly quick enough.

What they need to do is create a combined market place where people could find any track they wanted to, no matter how obscure or rare, and download it for a suitable fee.

There will always be piracy to some degree. Everyone was getting upset over cassettes when I was younger, cd burners when I was a student, and now filesharing. But artists still get paid far too much money and record companies are still around - so it cant be all bad

 

[pdka2004]

I think what i-tunes has taught us is that for the most part people (myself included) are willing to pay for song and album downloads, as long as the downloading is easy and available to all. The recording companies and many artists (i am looking at you metallica) blew their chance to take a lead on this, so i dont really feel sorry for them personally. But they are slowly changing their business models to suit current trends - even though they are not nearly quick enough.

What they need to do is create a combined market place where people could find any track they wanted to, no matter how obscure or rare, and download it for a suitable fee.

There will always be piracy to some degree. Everyone was getting upset over cassettes when I was younger, cd burners when I was a student, and now filesharing. But artists still get paid far too much money and record companies are still around - so it cant be all bad.

I would like to think though, that most people who currently download songs illegally would stop if what they wanted was more easily available

 

[creamcheese]

I would like to think though, that most people who currently download songs illegally would stop if what they wanted was more easily available

If by easily available you mean way cheaper, then yes.

 

[Grimlock]

I guess that the key word is available EVERYWHERE not just I certain countries.
An example could be Doctor Who I would GLADLY support the BBC by watching it on their webpage, but I CAN`T why because I don,´t live in the bloody UK.
So if I'm going to watch it my favorite show I have to go on youtube, which means that BBC doesn,´t get any money whatsoever this could be solved by making the different shows available on the BBC,´s webpage to everyone in every country.

Again making something available to everyone everywhere I think is the key to solve allot of things.

Now some people I've talked to complained about that language barrier would properly put a dent in that plan, however I think we need to look at the people who actually download movies tv-shows and so forth.

Most of those people speak and read fluently English and as such a lot of people wouldn,´t mind the spoken language might not be their own, as long as there are English subtitles on it I think most people would be able to understand it.

 

[Prolescum]

Thought I should throw this in here.

http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl220.htm

Enjoy

 

[Private_slim]

I guess that the key word is available EVERYWHERE not just I certain countries.
An example could be Doctor Who I would GLADLY support the BBC by watching it on their webpage, but I CAN`T why because I don,´t live in the bloody UK.
So if I'm going to watch it my favorite show I have to go on youtube, which means that BBC doesn,´t get any money whatsoever this could be solved by making the different shows available on the BBC,´s webpage to everyone in every country.

Again making something available to everyone everywhere I think is the key to solve allot of things.

Now some people I've talked to complained about that language barrier would properly put a dent in that plan, however I think we need to look at the people who actually download movies tv-shows and so forth.

Most of those people speak and read fluently English and as such a lot of people wouldn,´t mind the spoken language might not be their own, as long as there are English subtitles on it I think most people would be able to understand it.

This is needed to stop the massive downloading of series, the very reason why I myself dl series is that they're not bloody available otherwise. iTunes has a halfhearted attempt that you can cheat yourself into getting a hold of if you live outside the us, so you get some series, and as you said, the BBC and many other channels also have these halfhearted attempts.
But that only covers one of the many types of pirates. many will dl only because of the free aspect of it

That said
No wonder music piracy is so popular, it is easy AND cheap, either you have to buy trough iTunes or buy shitty hardcover albums where the music is compacted to make place to the massive anti piracy scripts that don't work at all.

Myself, I use iTunes and Spotify, but I can sure see why the nocost side of it is a big reason.
It all comes down to morals really, attitudes that are printed into our brains on what is wrong or right.