Why is the Earth Round?

[Stripe]

Do you know why the Moon is round?

GRAVITY

Correct! And I think we can cut to the chase here. The Moon has internal heat. I believe that heat was generated by a removal of mass from one side of the Moon. This created a gravitational imbalance and the Moon reformed itself into a more spherical shape in response.

This movement of mass was in the form of internal shifting through the center of the Moon from the point antipodean to the average center of the mass removal. Basically, a lot of rock was kicked off the near side of the Moon by a series of meteor strikes, gravity then compensated for that removed mass by sucking downward the opposite side of the Moon.

This generated three things:
1: A mass imbalance which made the near side of the Moon slightly heavier than the far side,
2: The Aitken Basin which subsided in response to the gravity imbalance opposite it (the Aitken Basin is analogous to the Pacific Basin on Earth), and
3: Friction and heat for the Moon's interior.

 

[Welshidiot]

@ Stripe:

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

From the book of Genesis, chapter one, verse sixteen.

"God" created the moon before "the Great Flood".

Got any more clever ideas, sparky?



@ The rest of you:
When refuting a Christian remember that your first resource should always be the Bible.

 

[australopithecus]

The Moon has internal heat.

Evidence, please. Then you can provide evidence for the rest of your claims.

 

[Stripe]

The Moon has internal heat.

Evidence, please. Then you can provide evidence for the rest of your claims.

Nah. I think it's pretty well known that the Moon's interior is hot. And for those who don't believe me, the information is readily available.

When I make a claim that is not well known or well accepted, then I might provide a link.

 

[nasher168]

The Moon has internal heat. I believe that heat was generated by a removal of mass from one side of the Moon.

To be fair, the Moon is hot in its interior (it has a fluid outer core). But you would be utterly wrong on the method of heat generation. As we have said time and time again. It is caused by residual heat from formation, and radioactive decay.

Do you believe that every single other body in the solar system with internal heat suffered a similar catastrophe?

Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Venus?

How about Io, Europa, Callisto and Ganymede? (Those four actually have a very interesting way in which they are heated)

 

[Anachronous Rex]

The humorous thing is that Mars, which we suspect actually has suffered this sort of catastrophic impact on an enormous scale (see: Southern Hemisphere, Northern Hemisphere), is much cooler and less tectonically active then Earth.

 

[Laurens]

Nah. I think it's pretty well known that the Moon's interior is hot. And for those who don't believe me, the information is readily available.

When I make a claim that is not well known or well accepted, then I might provide a link.

I accept that the moon might have internal heat.

I don't accept your explanation for it. Can you cite references for it please.

You can't make claims like that without even so much as a wikipedia link...

 

[Stripe]

To be fair, the Moon is hot in its interior (it has a fluid outer core). But you would be utterly wrong on the method of heat generation. As we have said time and time again. It is caused by residual heat from formation, and radioactive decay.

Yeah, I know the established explanation. I'm presenting an alternative.

It's not a rational response to refute my idea by restating the established idea.

Do you believe that every single other body in the solar system with internal heat suffered a similar catastrophe Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Venus? How about Io, Europa, Callisto and Ganymede? (Those four actually have a very interesting way in which they are heated)

The Moons of Jupiter are heated by the exact same mechanism I have described. Mass is not removed per se, but it is redistributed within the moons by gravity. As the moons orbit into new positions, their masses respond to the displacement generating friction and heat.

As for heat in the other planets, I don't know. I don't have compelling evidence, the smoking guns of gravity settling like on the Earth and the Moon. It's possible. Mercury would be the most likely. The gas planets, we will never know.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Oh!

My apologies! You are right on the money!

Heh.

The removal of mass was indeed not primarily from the Pacific. It was from the Atlantic. The Pacific is the response of gravity to that removal (ie great subsidence to restore sphericity to the globe).

Thank you.

Great. Show me where exactly all this mass was removed:

While you're at it explain how all those lines that result from the slow movement of tectonic plates over many millions of years got there.

I'm still waiting, by the way.

 

[Stripe]

I accept that the moon might have internal heat.

What's really interesting about the Moon is the parallels it has with earth. Seismic activity, gravity settling and volcanism. All the similarities should indicate the same process at work, yet the established idea is plate tectonics for one and not for the other.

I think that needs to change.

I don't accept your explanation for it. Can you cite references for it please.

Uh... I'll post it when I finish writing it. Deal?

You can't make claims like that without even so much as a wikipedia link...

Sure, I can.

I mean, it's not like you don't understand it, is it? It's just that you do not accept it, right?

Tuth be told - I don't mind that you do not accept what I say. I enjoy discussing my ideas and I'm happy for rational challenges to them. If you think you have a better idea then I'm more than prepared to analyse it and not demand that you link to all the articles that present your case for you.

 

[Stripe]

I'm still waiting, by the way.

Sorry, buddy.

The mass removed was equivalent to all in your image that is now water, that area having once been spanned by continental crust.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

I'm still waiting, by the way.

Sorry, buddy.

The mass removed was equivalent to all in your image that is now water, that area having once been spanned by continental crust.

Draw it out for me. Explain the Islands, the erosion features and why they're more concentrated the further one gets from the ridge, hell explain the ridge; why would an impact crater produce one? Why would it look exactly like ridges in the Pacific, southern Atlantic, and Indian Ocean? Why does it link up with one in the Southern Atlantic? Why don't other massive impact craters that blast through the crust of the planet produce this feature? (see Hellas Basin.)

Why is it that everything about Atlantic Topography suggests that it is just like the other oceans?

 

[nasher168]

Just to make sure we're not talking past one another. Is this an accurate representation of your beliefs?

So we have the Earth with a solid interior, then God poofs an enormous section of the planet away, causing the Earth to collapse into a smaller sphere under its own gravity. The friction caused by this cataclysm heats the interior of the planet, giving us the molten core we see today.

 

[Laurens]

Uh... I'll post it when I finish writing it. Deal?

Sorry but you can't cite yourself as a reference for this.

Do you know what referencing is?

It is when you look for other academic sources which support your view, you can't provide your own material (unless you have it published in an academic journal of some kind).

EDIT: Would you be satisfied if I referenced myself in an argument?

"There is lots of evidence for evolution (Laurens, 2011)"

I'm sure you'd be less than impressed, that's because referencing, requires that we seek information from other sources to back up our argument. Using yourself as a source for backing up your opinion isn't going to wash with anyone here.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Just to be clear, we have actually observed massive impacts and their effects.

This is what Earth actually looks like:

This is a quick and dirty rendition of what it ought to look like if what you say happened actually did (based on Mars):

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

@ Stripe:

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

From the book of Genesis, chapter one, verse sixteen.

"God" created the moon before "the Great Flood".

Got any more clever ideas, sparky?



@ The rest of you:
When refuting a Christian remember that your first resource should always be the Bible.

Yo Stripe - I think you missed our little friend here.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I believe.

And that's all you have. That's not worth a damned thing.

 

[australopithecus]

I think it's pretty well known that the Moon's interior is hot. And for those who don't believe me, the information is readily available.

When I make a claim that is not well known or well accepted, then I might provide a link.

I don't recall asking you to tell me that something is well known, I asked for evidence. Kindly follow the rules of debate and provide evidence for ALL of your claims, regardless of how widespread you think the knowledge is. If you will not then I have no interest in a debate with someone that intellectually dishonest and will gladly let the others continue to call bullshit on your fantasy.

 

[Stripe]

Draw it out for me. Explain the Islands, the erosion features and why they're more concentrated the further one gets from the ridge, hell explain the ridge; why would an impact crater produce one? Why would it look exactly like ridges in the Pacific, southern Atlantic, and Indian Ocean? Why does it link up with one in the Southern Atlantic? Why don't other massive impact craters that blast through the crust of the planet produce this feature? (see Hellas Basin.)

Why is it that everything about Atlantic Topography suggests that it is just like the other oceans?

It wasn't an impact that removed the mass from the Atlantic.

The Atlantic is very different from the Pacific.

 

[Stripe]

Just to make sure we're not talking past one another. Is this an accurate representation of your beliefs?

So we have the Earth with a solid interior, then God poofs an enormous section of the planet away, causing the Earth to collapse into a smaller sphere under its own gravity. The friction caused by this cataclysm heats the interior of the planet, giving us the molten core we see today.

Ha ha ha. Brilliant!

Some more detail on pic. 3. The lines of gravity settling to reform the Earth (Moon) to a sphere should be most concentrated straight through the mass of the object from the antipodean point on the globe. Thus the friction and heat is generated at the center.