Why 'Feminism' is poisoning Atheism

[australopithecus]

What defines a black person? Dark skin and several other physical traits. There's no requirement that they support anti-slavery movements or equal rights for people regardless of race. (<- This is the same line of reasoning you used to say atheists don't need to be secularists.) Technically that's true. A black person supporting black slavery or discrimination is not a contradiction. But where would African-Americans be right now if most of them were to indifferent to or even supportive of a lower status for themselves?

Firstly, atheists aren't being made to sit at the back of the bus, go to separate schools or being denied the right to marry non-atheists. Your analogy is still flawed.

I'm not questioning that the civil rights movement was important, but you have just agreed with my premise, black people don't have to support the civil rights movement, and atheists don't have to be secularists. Since you've agreed that this is technically true, which is my point, I'm assuming this is done?

And yes, atheists are a persecuted minority, make no mistake about it. You live in UK so you probably don't experience it much, but in many less developed countries it's simply impossible to be openly atheist without either social or institutionalized discrimination.

And that's sad and all but that doesn't mean that atheists have to do anything. Any right minded individual be they atheists or not should be inclined to do something, but it is not a prerequisite of being an atheist.

I'm not demanding that. I'm not arguing true atheists must be secularists, some seem to want religion to play a significant role in public life. I don't think they're "fake atheists", I just question why they would support that.

It's the same as supporting black slavery/discrimination as a black person or supporting the dhimmi status as a Christian or Jew or a woman supporting an inferior status for women. Makes no sense to me.

it makes no sense to me either, but people don't make sense as a general rule.

The only reasons I can think of:

1. The atheist in question is afraid a less religious society will be less moral.

Bit of a contradiction.

2. Apathy, the atheist in question doesn't really give a fuck - and I can understand that to some extent, but it's not something that's worth encouraging.

This is more likely.

3. Self-interest. The atheist in question is in a specific position where having a religious society benefits him personally despite being detrimental to atheists in general (like being a closeted atheist pastor). Again, not something worth encouraging.

Probable.

 

[Dogma's Demise]

Firstly, atheists aren't being made to sit at the back of the bus, go to separate schools or being denied the right to marry non-atheists. Your analogy is still flawed.

I agree that the discrimination isn't anywhere near as bad as it was for blacks (well as far as America is concerned anyway), but it's there. Wasn't too long ago an American president said American atheists shouldn't even be considered citizens or patriots.

In my country, the constitution guarantees religious freedom, yet tax money funds the church (in a way forcing atheists to endorse a religion), and religion occasionally meddles in determining state laws. There's also a lot of discrimination in day to day lives, plenty of people who think like VyckRo.

I'm not questioning that the civil rights movement was important, but you have just agreed with my premise, black people don't have to support the civil rights movement, and atheists don't have to be secularists. Since you've agreed that this is technically true, which is my point, I'm assuming this is done?

We're getting close. Just wanted to wrap a few things up.

And that's sad and all but that doesn't mean that atheists have to do anything. Any right minded individual be they atheists or not should be inclined to do something, but it is not a prerequisite of being an atheist.

Of course, but in general a persecuted or disadvantaged minority isn't likely to get an equal status (legal or social) by waiting for people outside that minority to grant it. Imagine if black people largely accepted an inferior status in society or just didn't oppose it. What then would make everyone else interested in change?


(BTW: I posted a new topic about non-secular atheists. If anyone wants to add something to it.)

 

[televator]

Nope. Well admittedly, some of his behavior in this FtB-PZ Myers-skepchick-harassment drama has been less than admirable,...

Less than admirable. Sure. Also kinda crazy. The opposite of "sane person."

...but I don't find anything to disagree with in his latest video.

Right, the video that totally exhibits how TFoot still dwells on an issue (that never actually should have been an issue to begin with) to an incredible degree, and further casts doubt on this "sane person" charge.

In all honesty TFoot could actually have sound things to say in this video (Edit: Nope. that possibility is nulified right in the title. "Why Femenism is poisoning atheism." are you fucking kidding me?!), but you gotta admit that his apparent obsession with "being right" over this can't be healthy.

 

[Moky]

Right, the video that totally exhibits how TFoot still dwells on an issue (that never actually should have been an issue to begin with) to an incredible degree, and further casts doubt on this "sane person" charge.

In all honesty TFoot could actually have sound things to say in this video (Edit: Nope. that possibility is nulified right in the title. "Why Femenism is poisoning atheism." are you fucking kidding me?!), but you gotta admit that his apparent obsession with "being right" over this can't be healthy.

He's also not right at all.

 

[Dogma's Demise]

It was 'Feminism' (in quotes)

 

[televator]

Right, the video that totally exhibits how TFoot still dwells on an issue (that never actually should have been an issue to begin with) to an incredible degree, and further casts doubt on this "sane person" charge.

In all honesty TFoot could actually have sound things to say in this video (Edit: Nope. that possibility is nulified right in the title. "Why Femenism is poisoning atheism." are you fucking kidding me?!), but you gotta admit that his apparent obsession with "being right" over this can't be healthy.

He's also not right at all.

Truly. He's fractally wrong in all sorts of fun ways.

It was 'Feminism' (in quotes)

I file such false distinctions in the trash bin...

In my book this is really starting to come off as paranoia. Might as well tell me that our Kenyan president and his commie horde is comin' for our guns.

 

[mick1le2pick]

Nope. Well admittedly, some of his behavior in this FtB-PZ Myers-skepchick-harassment drama has been less than admirable,...

Less than admirable. Sure. Also kinda crazy. The opposite of "sane person."

...but I don't find anything to disagree with in his latest video.

Right, the video that totally exhibits how TFoot still dwells on an issue (that never actually should have been an issue to begin with) to an incredible degree, and further casts doubt on this "sane person" charge.

In all honesty TFoot could actually have sound things to say in this video (Edit: Nope. that possibility is nulified right in the title. "Why Femenism is poisoning atheism." are you fucking kidding me?!), but you gotta admit that his apparent obsession with "being right" over this can't be healthy.

No it's "Why "Femenism" is poisoning atheism."

 

[australopithecus]

No, it's " Why 'Feminism is poisoning Atheism". He capitalised atheism like a tit.

 

[mick1le2pick]

Part 2 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApozFPboUAQ

No, it's " Why 'Feminism is poisoning Atheism". He capitalised atheism like a tit.

Oh I missed that, but capitalizing atheism doesn't change the meaning like inverted commas does.

 

[australopithecus]

No, but tf00t is hardly the most subtle of idiots. He can stick whatever he likes in inverted commas, I'll judge him on what he says, not how he chooses to use punctuation.

 

[mick1le2pick]

No, but tf00t is hardly the most subtle of idiots. He can stick whatever he likes in inverted commas, I'll judge him on what he says, not how he chooses to use punctuation.

So if I say "Dr" Kent Hovind this means Dr Kent Hovind.

That means Pottholer54 said Kent Hovind is a doctor in his first golden crocoduck award video.

Punctuation matters.

 

[australopithecus]

Punctuation does matter, however it is not the be all and end all, especially when we have the man's own words to judge him on.

 

[mick1le2pick]

Punctuation does matter, however it is not the be all and end all, especially when we have the man's own words to judge him on.

I agree it's stupid to look at words and the punctuation that greatly affects the meaning and why bother looking at punctuation when we know Potholer54 said Kent Hovind is a doctor?

Thank you for converting me to the truth.

 

[australopithecus]

You're welcome.

 

[mick1le2pick]

You're welcome.

And for trying to give Kent Hovind credibility we must complain about Potholer54.

 

[australopithecus]

Complain away.