Who's lying now?

[deluxe]

AronRa wrote
Time is increasingly an issue for me. I often can't check the comments to my videos more than once per week at most, sometimes only once in a fortnight. And it is an all day event to try and get through the hundred or so emails that I've been getting every day lately. Whenever I do not give priority to the trolls on my boards, they often accuse me of having "run away" from the very challenges that brought me into these forums in the first place. Well, I do not run away.

At the moment, I have a handful of people attacking me at once criticizing my credibility. These are the sort who demand the kind of response which cannot be adequately done in 500 character blocs which also prohibit the inclusion of links. And whenever I answer one of their challenges they only post the next day that I still haven't answered them, or that they're still waiting to see what I have already posted. So I have decided to consolidate their challenges in a forum more appropriate as a public record of my defense.

I don't think your lying intentionally. A person can tell lies, because he thinks it is correct.
but the reality is that it takes many years of schooling to get people to believe the scientists. So it is kind of lying, but it it is more like brain washing.
There are 3 facts that all people know to be true. They are
1 life comes from life
2 humans come from humans
3 there is design in the life we see.

So the the evidence supports creation. Because all 3 of these means there is a creator.
The interesting thing is that , the scientists contradict these 3 facts .
So AronRa, is spreading a lie. But I do think he doesn't get it yet.

 

[australopithecus]

There are 3 facts that all people know to be true. They are
1 life comes from life

Define life. Also, all people? I count as people and I'm calling bullshit, so please don't tar me with your brush.

2 humans come from humans

I see where this is going, so allow me to retort with a question. Please point out where black becomes white exactly...

3 there is design in the life we see.

No, the 'design' you see in implied based on your evident ignorance of biology.

So the the evidence supports creation. Because all 3 of these means there is a creator.

Grasp at straws much?

The interesting thing is that , the scientists contradict these 3 facts .

1: They're not facts.
2: The evidence contradicts your 'facts'. Provide testable evidence or concede.

So AronRa, is spreading a lie. But I do think he doesn't get it yet.

Ignorance is not a refutation of 150 of evidence. Swing and a miss, Sir.

 

[CommonEnlightenment]

Something to think about.......

What people believe or think to be true is not always the same as what is actually true. The best way to find the latter is through proper education and in this specific case the scientific method is the best method to find such truths. And lets not forget that falsification of a premise should be required for any REAL scientific idea.

 

[Thomas Doubting]

How do you know what i know to be true?

1) Life could have come from a rock for all i know, what i observe is not all there is, you might take that as an argument for god but then there is my favorite saying..

an "I don't know" from my empty head is way more honest than a "GODDIDIT" sucked out of your fingers.. or extracted from some other part of your body...

2) Humans could also be made from clay or dust like your book says, so you obviously don't know that humans come from humans. I do know that but i am not so sure about creationists..

3) bollocks, to be able to see designed life, one would have to know how undesigned life looks like to be able to make a difference.

Scientists are scientists because they do science, and don't try to find stuff in the world to match some ancient superstitious beliefs, plagiarised from more ancient beliefs from ignorant people who thought demons cause illness and that the earth is a flat disk on the back of some elephants balanced by a turtle.

Lastly, even if you ever find a proof for God, you still have to prove him to be your imaginary friend Yahweh as depicted in that morbid, contradictive outrageously stupid work of fiction called Bible.

Seriously.. try to get a grip on reality.

 

[australopithecus]

What I find highly suspect is the way this thread was conveniently brought back from the dead by a new poster and yet is being lurked in by the threads former antagonist. Little coincidences, eh?

 

[Prolescum]

Shaka, when the walls fell.

 

[Welshidiot]

Shaka, when the walls fell.

Chaka Khan, when you let me rock you.......

 

[deluxe]

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deluxe wrote:There are 3 facts that all people know to be true. They are
1 life comes from life



Define life. Also, all people? I count as people and I'm calling bullshit, so please don't tar me with your brush.

Definition of life
life
   [lahyf] Show IPA noun, plural lives  [lahyvz] Show IPA, adjective
noun
1.
the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.
2.
the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, especially metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.
3.
the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual: to risk one's life; a short life and a merry one.
4.
a corresponding state, existence, or principle of existence conceived of as belonging to the soul: eternal life.
5.
the general or universal condition of human existence: Too bad, but life is like that.

2 humans come from humans



I see where this is going, so allow me to retort with a question. Please point out where black becomes white exactly...

Show me a human that did not come from a human!

3 there is design in the life we see.



No, the 'design' you see in implied based on your evident ignorance of biology.

So the the evidence supports creation. Because all 3 of these means there is a creator.

Scientists copy from life all the time and receive accolades for it. They are told how great their design is.

The interesting thing is that , the scientists contradict these 3 facts .



1: They're not facts.
2: The evidence contradicts your 'facts'. Provide testable evidence or concede.

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Show me where 1 of these three facts that is not true.

 

[Thomas Doubting]

What I find highly suspect is the way this thread was conveniently brought back from the dead by a new poster and yet is being lurked in by the threads former antagonist. Little coincidences, eh?

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he might have been teleported here from AronRa's YT page like me few months ago :lol: And thread necromancy is "traditionally performed" by new members on many forums.. (i gotta know it as hobby necromancer :cry: )

 

[deluxe]

Something to think about.......

What people believe or think to be true is not always the same as what is actually true. The best way to find the latter is through proper education and in this specific case the scientific method is the best method to find such truths. And lets not forget that falsification of a premise should be required for any REAL scientific idea.

But sometimes people have to follow the evidence.
Education can also be used for 'brain washing'. It's most effective when you are young.

 

[Prolescum]

Shaka, when the walls fell.

Chaka Khan, when you let me rock you.......

Temba, his arms wide!

[(i gotta know it as hobby necromancer :cry: )

Don't say that, I've just watched The Walking Dead... Oh well, nightmares tonight!

 

[australopithecus]

But sometimes people have to follow the evidence.
Education can also be used for 'brain washing'. It's most effective when you are young.

And the evidence has consistently validated evolutionary theory for over 150 years. Disagree? I'll eagerly await your evidence in a peer reviewed journal.

 

[deluxe]

How do you know what i know to be true?

1) Life could have come from a rock for all i know, what i observe is not all there is, you might take that as an argument for god but then there is my favorite saying..

an "I don't know" from my empty head is way more honest than a "GODDIDIT" sucked out of your fingers.. or extracted from some other part of your body...

2) Humans could also be made from clay or dust like your book says, so you obviously don't know that humans come from humans. I do know that but i am not so sure about creationists..

3) bollocks, to be able to see designed life, one would have to know how undesigned life looks like to be able to make a difference.

Scientists are scientists because they do science, and don't try to find stuff in the world to match some ancient superstitious beliefs, plagiarised from more ancient beliefs from ignorant people who thought demons cause illness and that the earth is a flat disk on the back of some elephants balanced by a turtle.

Lastly, even if you ever find a proof for God, you still have to prove him to be your imaginary friend Yahweh as depicted in that morbid, contradictive outrageously stupid work of fiction called Bible.

Seriously.. try to get a grip on reality.

The point is ....show the evidence. There is plenty of that to go around. The first thing you do is too see what is happening now. Then you look to see what has happened. Is there any evidence to say that things were different before?
I say that the scientists have totally ignored the evidence and went off on their own ideas.
As for proof of a creator it is everywhere.
It is in the 3 facts that I gave.

But if some are programmed from the scientists not to think that, they should at least be able to prove it.

 

[australopithecus]

:facepalm:

 

[deluxe]

But sometimes people have to follow the evidence.
Education can also be used for 'brain washing'. It's most effective when you are young.

And the evidence has consistently validated evolutionary theory for over 150 years. Disagree? I'll eagerly await your evidence in a peer reviewed journal.

Actually over the last 150 years, shows that the scientists are on the wrong road. They can not show how life started on it's own or can they show 'evolution' even happens.

The theory of 'evolution' demands that the start to life be from non creation.

So what you have is a theory with no proof demanding a theory on the start to life with no proof. That is called circular thinking.

 

[Prolescum]

:lol:

Why bother arguing with a conspiracy theorist?

Education can also be used for 'brain washing'.

But if some are programmed from the scientists not to think that, they should at least be able to prove it.

 

[DiscipleTube1]

Deluxe you're wrong. You can believe in evolution and still believe God started the process somewhere along the line. Leaves room for a 'sort' of creation. I think it's ridiculous myself, but look at Kenneth Miller

 

[deluxe]

Can any one of you show me life that came from non life without creation?
Can anyone of you show me a human that came from a non human?
Can anyone of you show me that a cat does not have design in it?
If not, then my 3 facts stand

 

[Thomas Doubting]

But sometimes people have to follow the evidence.
Education can also be used for 'brain washing'. It's most effective when you are young.

Yeah man.. follow the fucking evidence and stop brain washing your kids with that bullshit made of wishful thinking, threats and ridiculous claims kept alive by ignoring and even fighting reality.. i am with you there.. although you sure didn't mean it like that :lol:

Just a tip though, instead of learning "God's word" by heart, rather take a good look at "his creation", it proved "his word" to be nonsense.

But then again nonsense seems to be totally your thing..

The point is ....show the evidence. There is plenty of that to go around. The first thing you do is too see what is happening now. Then you look to see what has happened. Is there any evidence to say that things were different before?
I say that the scientists have totally ignored the evidence and went off on their own ideas.
As for proof of a creator it is everywhere.
It is in the 3 facts that I gave.

But if some are programmed from the scientists not to think that, they should at least be able to prove it.

Dude you gave exactly 0 facts.. actually less. because crap counts as contraproductive so you went into the negative there..
And you know.. unlike your "holy book experts", scientists practically beg kids to think for themselves and try to correct the mistakes that they made and expand on the knowledge they provided.
However, i don't even have to know what evolution or science is to be immune to your creation fairy tales and idiotic claims about the world. Just takes a tiny bit of rational thinking to say WTF did those guys smoke :shock:

Ok maybe i am wrong.. maybe you can do what NOBODY managed to do for thousands of years.

Show us 1, just 1 piece of cogent, observable, factual, demonstrable evidence for God and creation, just 1 thing we can take and show to others, without invoking wishful thinking and imagination..without resorting to your old book or some appeals to emotion or other logical fallacies.
Just one piece.. i will rush to the church right now and demand to be baptized ASAP and buy I ❤ Jesus underwear on the way back, as soon as you have shown it.
Also you will get a nobel prize and tons of cash and publicity for sure.
But I am willing to bet all i have that you have nothing but empty talk..

 

[DiscipleTube1]

Am I supposed to be this former antagonist you're talking about? I just got an email and clicked the link