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What if the Universe was formed from a single thought?

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aiesha

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arg-fallbackName="aiesha"/>
Sounds pretty crazy but I think you should all read about how we came to this world from a single idea. The kunlosophy is a very interesting theory and worth reading.

Excerpt from site:
II. How can it be possible for just a single thought to give rise to the world we see?

1. An eternal, All-powerful Creator does not have inconsistent powers.
To say it is impossible would be inconsistent with the idea of what an everlasting powerful Creator is, which is to be unlimited in His power. Otherwise, we would have a lesser idea of who He really is!

2. Bargaining is not part of a limitless and permanently powerful Creator's will (since the All-eternal has everything) for that would limit His giving.
Therefore, that is why our eternal Self's unlimited and powerful capability led to the world we see, because having limitless strength is necessary to make it so. Otherwise, it would contradict our Creator's true nature, which is to share everything that is His with our eternal Self.
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Read more here
http://www.nurkun.com/creation-story-universe-created-by-a-thought/


What do you think?
 
arg-fallbackName="Squawk"/>
/me ponders the basic pre-requisites of thought. Time (before and after state, no thought -> thought), an entity to have the thought, ergo existence itself.

Meh, I'll go ponder turtles instead. They stack up well, apparently.
 
arg-fallbackName="Demojen"/>
ualuealuealeuale ualuelaelaellalea, alsualsualualauusualulus, alsualsualualauusualulus!
 
arg-fallbackName="Ad Initium"/>
aiesha said:
Sounds pretty crazy but I think you should all read about how we came to this world from a single idea. The kunlosophy is a very interesting theory and worth reading.

Excerpt from site:
II. How can it be possible for just a single thought to give rise to the world we see?

1. An eternal, All-powerful Creator does not have inconsistent powers.
To say it is impossible would be inconsistent with the idea of what an everlasting powerful Creator is, which is to be unlimited in His power. Otherwise, we would have a lesser idea of who He really is!

2. Bargaining is not part of a limitless and permanently powerful Creator's will (since the All-eternal has everything) for that would limit His giving.
Therefore, that is why our eternal Self's unlimited and powerful capability led to the world we see, because having limitless strength is necessary to make it so. Otherwise, it would contradict our Creator's true nature, which is to share everything that is His with our eternal Self.
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Read more here
http://www.nurkun.com/creation-story-universe-created-by-a-thought/


What do you think?
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I'll go to that site and check it out, but only AFTER I made this post.

My initial thought on it, is that this idea is no different then a God.

Let me give you something really puzzeling to think about:

How do YOU know that I exist?
How do I know that YOU exist?

What? ... Just because you are reading MY repsonds .... you know I exist?
And what? ... Just because I read your original post ... I should know YOU exist?

No it does not. If you believe in entities consciousness, and you name them God or Creator, ... then the brain-thought I just gave you, you should actually agree with, .. but from that point on everything else you ever believed in becomes uncertain.

There is only ONE way, I can ver be 100% sure YOU exist, ... and that is ... I and YOU were actually the same person.

This, for me, ... is the SOLE reason NO believer in a God or Creator, will be ever able to convince me of a God or Creator. In fact, this thesis alone, is a grand argument against God, Creator. But most important of all, it is a logical argument science can bring onto the field of phylosophy and into the field of religion. Phylosophy and religion can NEVER brake that argument.

But science can.

Because science is based on imperical evidence in the material world. And science has not yet seen the existance of a God.

So ... untill you can brake he logic I presented above .... I'll stick with science, ... and you stick with your inmaterial God, Creator.
 
arg-fallbackName="Master_Ghost_Knight"/>
This "colonosophy" or (whathever you call it) that God created everything is no new, it is a well dead beaten horse were you can't distinguish the entrails from the pavement.
And you are right there, it is a "crazy" idea, as in you got to be demented to take it seriously.

Here is a better idea.
1. There is this self existing pudim, this pudim must exist because not existing would contractic his existing nature.
2. This pudim has a caramel toping, not having a caramel toping would contradict the nature of the pudim being a good pudim and therefore it must be toped with caramel.
3. It is in the boundary of the caramel and the pudim that the universe is created, and damn it is a sweet pudim! Everyone loves this pudim as it is the nature of the pudim to be apreciatable to the taste of its creation.
4. The pudim has bestoed uppon us delicious magic tortillas to be eaten by everyone who want to live after dead in a house chocolate (because it is in its nature to be awsome like that), not eating the magic tortilla will make you get stuck forever in the caramel. To eat the magic tortilla you must first send me 2000$, then close your eyes and believe really really hard that the flan is your sole creator (if you fail it is because you haven't taught hard enough, or perhaps you need to send me more 2000$), once you done that 3 cosmic frogs with 6 legs and a fishtail will be carrying gifts. One of the frogs will give you the gift of a slap in the face, the other 3 magic socks and the last a bottle of 1967 scotch whiskey, grab the whiskey an break it in the head of the one in the midle, once you have done that he will give you the tortilla. You can then eat it, saving yourself from getting stuck in the caramel and forever live your after life in a chocolate house which you can eat (but you shouldn't because then you will be homeless).

Questions?
 
arg-fallbackName="Nemesiah"/>
aiesha said:
Did any of tried reading the article before making these comments.
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I "skimmed" it, All I saw was ideas that have nothing to back them up, if you want to use it to write the next Narnia then its ok, a tad unoriginal (worlds of darkness by White wolf MAGE had a cosmology very similar to this one) but it may work, it has a nice sentiment behind it, and people like comedian Bill hick spoused something similar to this.

HOWEVER if this is your cosmology and want me to give it any more thought than the little red ridding hood I would have to see some proof that this is how it works.

To be entirely honest it seems to me that it is all passion and no thought behind
1. An eternal, All-powerful Creator does not have inconsistent powers.
To say it is impossible would be inconsistent with the idea of what an everlasting powerful Creator is, which is to be unlimited in His power. Otherwise, we would have a lesser idea of who He really is!
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This idea I have heard before, I think it's from Thomas Aquino who stated that since we could think of perfection then something perfect must exist so God existed, unoriginal, and purely word play.

I would advise you to use the time you are spending with this breand "NEW" way of looking at the universe in reading what other people have thought about god before you set out to create a new religion.
 
arg-fallbackName="nasher168"/>
The article leaves a lot of things too open to interpretation by the reader. What, precisely, is my "true self"? Are you saying that the universe is not a physical entity, that I am in fact an incredibly powerful being capable of dreaming this whole thing? Where/what did the "true self come" from? Where/what did the "Creator" come from?


Assuming you are saying the universe is physical:

-Every known thought or idea ever to occur had at least one brain behind it.

-A brain is a collection of neurones which in turn had an entire universe behind them (mathematics, entropy, weak molecular force and strong molecular force etc). To adapt one of Carl Sagan's famous quotes:
"if you wish to create a thought from scratch, you must first create the universe"

-This proposed solution to origins simply pushes us back to another universe.
 
arg-fallbackName="Balstrome"/>
aiesha said:
Did any of tried reading the article before making these comments.
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in other words, you all do not agree with me and are closed minded, right?
 
arg-fallbackName="RedYellow"/>
I tried reading some of that, but it sounded like a lot of convoluted psycho-babble meant to overwhelm people with lofty sounding concepts that really have no substance.

It seems like an attempt to disguise the basic apologetic practice of defining God into existence and necessity, as well as sneak around the problem of having to explain why a thinking being such as God would exist in the first place prior to the biological evolution of the brain, which is the only proven source of thought.

You can't get away with saying that because we can think of a being that we can assert is necessary for the existence of the universe, it must exist. This is the ultimate act of human vanity: saying that our imagination dictates how reality works. It does not.
 
arg-fallbackName="Cephei"/>
Wow. This seems like the unholy marriage of the Ontological argument and CTMU, complete with airy definitions and baseless assertions. I could go into the "logic" of this abomination, but I'd rather get myself a cup of tea.
 
arg-fallbackName="Master_Ghost_Knight"/>
aiesha said:
Did any of tried reading the article before making these comments.
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Did you not get convinced by my magic pudim as the creator of the universe?
If you haven't then it is not likely I will ever be convinced of your argument because they fail for the exact same reason. It is Wishfull thinking, by the same logic you could come to the conclusion of anything and everything regardless if it really is the case. In your case you just happen to have picked your own religious pre-conception, and this is what it really is religious propaganda.
The arguments you find so convincing is nothing more than word play, in my prespective I just see you stumbling in your own feet never to follow the path of logic, with argumets without head or tail resembling more an incoherent bable of a lunatic then an actual argument, and it the process you managed to decieve your own self. You have only arrived at the conclusion that God exists because you have decided before hand that it must, and you are now surpried when you turn arround to find that what you have decided to be true appears true, same way I did with my pudim.
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
I can all this idea bullshit, simply because that we barely understand the mechanics of our OWN Universe, and it's very much unrealistic to think of a completely different existence without using our own life and experience as canon.
Everything we think of incoperates our own universe, plus or minus some cool features or alternate events.

For example:
I can imagine a world with Dragons that I can ride to school every day. I can imagine a world where Avatar-like sorcery allows people to bend nature within a fabricated limit, as long as matter is not created, nor destroyed. I can imagine a universe with some super elements to load into space ships and make us leap across the galaxy in months.
However, I cannot imagine a Universe without Gravity. I cannot imagine a universe without Electro-Magnetism. I cannout imagine a universe without Hydrogen, nor Oxygen. I cannot imagine a universe without carbon.
And I take these out, give them spiffy names and new colors, and then throw them back in? Sure - but I can't do it without basic functions.

Also, my second postulate is that, if this IS the result of a thought - that moron must have the worst imagination in the history of whatever-it-is.
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I want my Avatar-like sorcerer powers and rocket ships, DAMMIT!
 
arg-fallbackName="nemesiss"/>
if such a trick, thinking really hard and it happens (also known as wishing and/or praying), really works... why do i not have i perfectly tapped beer in my left hand?
 
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