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What caused the big bang?

What caused the big bang?

  • We do not have enough evidence to currently make an accurate statement

    Votes: 50 78.1%

  • Godidit

    Votes: 5 7.8%

  • Other (see reply post)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
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boonw

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arg-fallbackName="boonw"/>
So, I am making a rebuttle for a video PCS featured on his channel, theres already a topic on here about it (how to make atheists heads explode). A YEC procures several "atheist arguments" that I have yet to see atheists use, and the only answer I have ever actually gotten from atheists is "we dont know".

However, I have only asked about 5 or so atheists about this, so would seem naive to make the claim that this is the position most atheists hold. So, if you are an atheist, it would be a big help if you shared your thoughts on "what caused the big bang". Also, it would also be nice if you gave a possible answer equal in verasity to "god did it", if you have a good one that comes to mind.
 
arg-fallbackName="Aught3"/>
My money would be on a quantum fluctuation out of nothing, but I don't see how we can show that this is what happened so the answer I gave is that we don't have enough information.
 
arg-fallbackName="Shapeshifter"/>
I like to see it this way (and my knowledge on this is very limited); As time only came into existence together with the rest of the universe (space/matter/energy), I think "causality" does not even play a role in this whole matter.
 
arg-fallbackName="nasher168"/>
If I'm completely honest, most of the physics goes way over my head-being an undergrad and one who finds biology more interesting.
However, I do know-or at least, I was told by a physics teacher-that there is no reliable data on what happened prior to 10-to-the-minus-something seconds after the big bang. If the data is unreliable, then I will go with the first option in the poll. Maybe it will turn out there was a god of some kind involved, but this seems unlikely as it raises more questions than it answers, and I might as well replace "god" with just about anything.
I think DeistPaladin is in a far better position than I to say why one might think a deity was involved. I don't mean to diminish him, but I can't currently comprehend how one can come to any conclusion but agnostic atheism (that sentence might sound almost mocking, but it is intended as nothing but a genuine question).
 
arg-fallbackName="scalyblue"/>
Not enough information, it could've been the heisenburg uncertainy principle, it could've been a hyperspace computer that figured out how to reverse entropy--

forgive my thrown-together analogy, but when a tornado touches down and tears stuff up, you can say what conditions promoted its formation, you can say what path it took, you can say what it looked like and what cloud it came from, you can even say what it's made of, but no matter how much information you get after the fact you can't accurately say whether it was the nitrogen or the oxygen in the air that started moving first, or whether it was an updraft or a downdraft first..nor are any of these factors relevant to what caused the tornado to form or what happened as a result of it.
 
arg-fallbackName="Dragan Glas"/>
Greetings,

I voted for option 1.

I have my own hypothesis - based on a combination of this article and the Eastern idea that "Order arose out of Chaos"... but that's another story! :D

Kindest regards,

James
 
arg-fallbackName="5810Singer"/>
scalyblue said:
Not enough information, it could've been the heisenburg uncertainy principle, it could've been a hyperspace computer that figured out how to reverse entropy--
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Asimov FTW! :D
 
arg-fallbackName="nemesiss"/>
from what i have understand i think the video of "creating a universe from nothing" on the richard dawkin's youtube channel is because of the high temperature at the beginning of the bigbang which was more then 3000 degrees Kelvin, particles wouldn't be able to form correctly, which creates a barrier to which we can't "see" further into the past, which makes it impossible to "see" the alleged bigbang.

from the shape and expansion of this "barrier" we were able to measures the 'age' of the universe.


how the universe kick-started is a good question to which we probably will never know the true answer.
as for the 'principle of cause and effect' (don't know which law in nature that is), i wonder what example the rules work different.. kinda like gravity...because no matter how you put it, what ever you put as an answer, you always get the same problem..

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

note: PCS has again for the N-th time said good bye to youtube.
 
arg-fallbackName="borrofburi"/>
Well, my thoughts on this are in the "atheist head explode" topic, so you know what I think...
5810Singer said:
scalyblue said:
Not enough information, it could've been the heisenburg uncertainy principle, it could've been a hyperspace computer that figured out how to reverse entropy--
Click to expand...

Asimov FTW! :D
Click to expand...
You beat me to it :( I was feeling so wonderfully knowledgeable catching that reference...
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
Anti entropy.
xD

I believe in a Creator entity that made the universe's many relating laws and advanced intertwining with a backbone supported by the Spirit world as to ensure the Universe's Laws are executed in a smooth manner.
Then again - I've been called a nutcase for presenting my "Clockworker" God to the Creationist arena.
 
arg-fallbackName="Niocan"/>
ImprobableJoe said:
I did it.

You're all welcome...
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That statement can be said by anyone and still hold to be true; That's the beauty behind the veil.
 
arg-fallbackName="Durakken"/>
there are a number of hypothesis that I find to be possible and could ultimately be right... or could ultimately be wrong but right in the fact that it could result in a universe too...

It could be the case that we exist in a black hole universe in a universe created by a big crunch from a universe that was created by membrane collisions. None of these rule each other out as possible currently so it depends on what you mean by universe and all like that...

I think ultimately the answer is that existence in some form has always existed infinitely, whether we are the first "universe" or just the latest in a long line or one of many inside of a middle aged one really doesn't matter.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
/logic

I did it. Prove that I didn't.

xD
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That was my point. When anyone can make the claim, and it is just as logically legitimate as the theistic claim, then the claim is worthless. When me and "God" and "my left boot" are all equally plausible, you have to scrap all of your thinking and start over.
 
arg-fallbackName="DeistPaladin"/>
I guess everyone can guess who was the only Goddidit vote.

Hey, you had to know I was going todoit. ;)
 
arg-fallbackName="Sinue"/>
I also voted Goddidit, and I wasn't even trolling. Thought I was very tempted to hit the "Not enough evidence" option simply because it IS faith based, and not a presumption of knowledge. That, and I really don't like the idea of my vote being falsely assumed to be an endorsement that TharGoddidit, with all the magic and pixie dust miracle bullshit that inevitably follows.

Now if you'll excuse me for a bit, I have to go lay down. The cognitive dissonance is starting to make me dizzy.
 
arg-fallbackName="Shaedys"/>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Thats something like, quantum theory explains that the universe could have been created from nothing.
 
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