Whisperelmwood
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I'm guessing he saw my Blasphemy Video. He contacted me out of the blue, and we've been discussing for about a week now. He took his time in replying to me.
Maybe a little Tl;Dr, sorry XD
Admittedly, the quotes I posted were hastily chosen, because I couldn't be bothered to go look up exact quotage. My bad.
I'll keep y'all appraised of any replies etc.
Maybe a little Tl;Dr, sorry XD
Jesusisthetruevine:
How about this? Scientific evidence proves Jesus Is GOD
Cool game that I made!
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NDUYI28L
---How to go to Heaven---
Everyone is a sinner.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Sin must be punished by death.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
God does not want anyone to perish.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Jesus Christ paid that price for your sins.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
By faith in what Christ has done, we can be saved.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Corinthians 15:6 states that there were over 500 eyewitnesses to his resurrection. His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes. This is scientific evidence that Jesus IS GOD. It can be found here:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/videos.htm
Whisperelmwood:
Ok. A salutation of some sort would be nice.
Firstly, do you realise that I have absolutely no belief in your book? Do you understand why, because I don't have any belief in your book, it is useless to quote from it at me?
Secondly:
-' Everyone is a sinner.'-
What, even the new born babies?
-' Sin must be punished by death.'-
Why? And tell me in your own words. Should we treat wearing clothing made from mixed materials, as the same as murder? Do they both get the same punishment? Should we treat thinking about having sex, the same as rape? Do THEY get the same punishment? Why?
-' God does not want anyone to perish.'-
Are you sure?
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
(I particularly like that one, kill children, simply for insulting someone!)
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
I could go on, and on, and on.
-' Jesus Christ paid that price for your sins.'-
I didn't ask him to. I think torturing someone to death is a despicably evil thing to do, why would I want a man to do that for me, for something I may never do and have never done? And anyway, it wasn't much of a sacrifice, if at the end of it, he got to go straight to heaven and be with daddy.
-' By faith in what Christ has done, we can be saved.'-
Really? Are you sure? What about the thousands, millions of people, all over the world, who have faith in him, but are starving to death? Being raped? Being murdered? Seeing their families raped and murdered? Being hit by natural disasters? But again, why would I want to have faith in someone who basically hung about for three days and then went straight to paradise?
-'1 Corinthians 15:6 states that there were over 500 eyewitnesses to his resurrection.'-
So where are the witness statements, then? We don't have any of them. We only have some chapters written by people thirty years or more after his death. Not very reliable, that.
-' His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.'-
Where did they get this blood? Where's the evidence that this blood was ever found? Where's the evidence that is was tested? Where's the evidence that it was Jesus' blood? Where's the evidence that it was even old enough to be Jesus' blood? Where's the evidence that it only had 24 chromosomes? That video shows me nothing more than an anecdote that could very easily be completely and utterly made up. Show me evidence, and I might take it slightly more seriously.
-' This is scientific evidence that Jesus IS GOD.'-
No, it isn't. Even if it was Jesus' blood, all it would prove was that Jesus had a few things different about his blood. That's it.
Get back to me when you make more sense.
H
Admittedly, the quotes I posted were hastily chosen, because I couldn't be bothered to go look up exact quotage. My bad.
Jesusisthetruevine:
It does not matter what you say, sadly. The scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35) carnal people cannot understand (1 Cor 2:14) nothing in the bible is of any private interpretation (2 peter 1:20)
Secondly:
- Everyone is a sinner.-
What, even the new born babies?
-New born babies have no conscience, so they cannot be accounted for.
- Sin must be punished by death.-
Why? And tell me in your own words. Should we treat wearing clothing made from mixed materials, as the same as murder? Do they both get the same punishment? Should we treat thinking about having sex, the same as rape? Do THEY get the same punishment? Why?
Sin is the trangression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and is punished by death (Roman 6:23) As for your previous statements, some of the things in Jewish culture have been done away with. Ask yourself this. Is murder wrong? If yes, WHY? Should murderers be punished? Be honest. In marriage, sex is fine, but rape is the unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman by FORCE against their will, so it is wrong.
- God does not want anyone to perish.-
Are you sure?
-Yes. Ezekiel 33:11 says the Lord has NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked, but that they return from the wicked way to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 says that God is NOT WILLING that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance. John 3:16 states that God so LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life.
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
-Rejecting the commands of the prophets is going against God. You cannot just take any scripture at random and claim a discepancy. You must read the FULL chapter to know what is going on.
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
-The old testament they would be killed because it was an abomination. Deuteronomy 18:10 condemns it. Jesus offers mercy today if they break the law, but then repent and come to him in faith.
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
-Same as above.
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
-Striking mother and father goes against the 5th Commandment, Exodus 20:12.
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
-Adultery is against the 7th commandment, Exodus 20:14.
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
-Same.
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
-This goes against the 1st commandment, Exodus 20:3.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
-Because God is the only source of salvation for the human race, he is longsuffering toward us (2 Peter 3:9) and wants us to follow him to be happy and to have eternal life.
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
(I particularly like that one kill children, simply for insulting someone!)
-You cannot assume that this is the correct interpretation. Elisha was just about to be sent to heaven, because he was a prophet, but the children knew what they were doing, so they mocked him in rebellion. Still, we are no longer under the old testament laws.
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
-Sin must be punished. Scoffers have a lack of understanding of Justice. Proverbs 28:5 says evil men understand not judgement. Proverbs 3:7 says be not wise in your own ways, but seek the Lord and repent.
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
-Babylon was a pagan nation who committed many abominations. God was trying to teach them that rebellion is futile.
Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
-The evildoers of the day had to pay for what they have done. Why do you think we have a criminal law system today? If there were no laws, everything would be chaos and people would do whatever they felt like. We are commanded to reprove evil (Ephesians 5:11)
I could go on, and on, and on.
-Maybe, but everything you will say will be refuted and taken out of context. And please, use the King James version of the bible. The other translations are false, as some have taken out complete verses.
- Jesus Christ paid that price for your sins.-
I didnt ask him to. I think torturing someone to death is a despicably evil thing to do, why would I want a man to do that for me, for something I may never do and have never done? And anyway, it wasnt much of a sacrifice, if at the end of it, he got to go straight to heaven and be with daddy.
Jesus died for us because we are ALL sinners. If you told one lie, you are a liar and deserve to perish in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8) and be seperate from God because he Is holy. One sin, no matter how small, deserves to be punished. James 2:10 says that if we offend in ONE point, we are guilty of ALL. Jesus Loves us and wanted us to be with him in paradise, not in flames. There is NO greater love story in the entire history of the world, my friend.
- By faith in what Christ has done, we can be saved.-
Really? Are you sure? What about the thousands, millions of people, all over the world, who have faith in him, but are starving to death? Being raped? Being murdered? Seeing their families raped and murdered? Being hit by natural disasters? But again, why would I want to have faith in someone who basically hung about for three days and then went straight to paradise?
Sin will not last forever. Revelation 21:4 says that when Christ comes back, his kingdom will have no end, all the tears and pain will be no more. Matthew 5 talks about the poor being blessed. These people may not have everything, but their life can become a testimony for others, even if they are poor, they can still rejoice in the truth of Jesus.
-1 Corinthians 15:6 states that there were over 500 eyewitnesses to his resurrection.-
So where are the witness statements, then? We dont have any of them. We only have some chapters written by people thirty years or more after his death. Not very reliable, that.
Josephus was a first century Jewish historian. I quote him from a website:
"About this time appeared Jesus, a wise man (if indeed it is right to call Him man; for He was a worker of astonishing deeds, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with joy), and He drew to Himself many Jews (many also of Greeks. This was the Christ.) And when Pilate, at the denunciation of those that are foremost among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those who had first loved Him did not abandon Him (for He appeared to them alive again on the third day, the holy prophets having foretold this and countless other marvels about Him.) The tribe of Christians named after Him did not cease to this day." (Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 ,§63 )
- His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.-
Where did they get this blood? Wheres the evidence that this blood was ever found? Wheres the evidence that is was tested? Wheres the evidence that it was Jesus blood? Wheres the evidence that it was even old enough to be Jesus blood? Wheres the evidence that it only had 24 chromosomes? That video shows me nothing more than an anecdote that could very easily be completely and utterly made up. Show me evidence, and I might take it slightly more seriously.
If you go to arkdiscovery.com, under videos, Ron wyatt talks about his experience. He took it to an Israeli lab, not done himself. The results will show to the world in DUE TIME ( 1 Timothy 2:6) and everyone will get to see it along with the ark and ten commandment stones.
- This is scientific evidence that Jesus IS GOD.-
No, it isnt. Even if it was Jesus blood, all it would prove was that Jesus had a few things different about his blood. Thats it.
-You are wrong here. 24 Chromosomes is unique. It proves the virgin birth because Mary did not have intercourse. normal humans have 48, 23 come from both mother and father. His blood cells were ALIVE, so that proves he is God, because that defies all natural law. Everyone elses blood would be DEAD, never mind alive after 2000+ years. A Geneticist, Dr Eugene Dunkley, says that 24 chromosomes proves a virgin birth:
http://anchorstone.com/ASI-Newsletters/Ark-of-the-Covenant-Update.html
Get back to me when you make more sense
-I explained everything to you. The scientific evidence above speaks for itself. I hope you find it in your heart to believe and accept Jesus as savior.
Whisperelmwood:
'It does not matter what you say, sadly. The scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35) carnal people cannot understand (1 Cor 2:14) nothing in the bible is of any private interpretation (2 peter 1:20)'
The bible is absolutely up for private interpretation, hence the many, many different types of Christianity and the many, many different personal interpretations by individuals within those different types of Christianity.
Without stating that only your particular brand of Christianity is the One True Brand, how do you account for these thousands of different interpretations, if indeed, the bible is not up for 'private interpretation'?
You can quote the bible at me all you want, but it is not going to impress. You have no proof that the bible is correct, you have no proof that your particular God exists. Until you can prove that YOUR god, and your god alone, exists, I will not accept the word of the bible as anything other than the ramblings of old, misogynistic, bigoted, ill-educated, middle-eastern shepherds from the iron age.
Now, for proof, I mean real world evidence, NOT scripture and not philosophy, theological or otherwise. Something a little more substantial than Pascal's Wager would be interesting.
'New born babies have no conscience, so they cannot be accounted for.' And 'Sin is the trangression of God's law (1 John 3:4) and is punished by death (Roman 6:23)'
This means what, exactly? How does one not account for new-borns? What does this mean? I'm guessing you're not Catholic, because according to that type of Christianity (by the way, the oldest of all the types currently still in use), every baby born still retains Original Sin and thus must be Christened. If the baby dies before Christening? I've heard some say 'purgatory', some say 'hell', some say 'heaven anyway', three different interpretations within one sect.
Anyway, I didn't say 'new born babies', I said 'babies'. At about the age of two, the child is still a baby, but by that point, they are learning about the self and are beginning to understand right from wrong. How does this figure into your 'everyone is a sinner'? Because, even if they are learning right from wrong, that doesn't mean they have the self control to stop themselves doing wrong, they are still learning, at that point, doing wrong teaches them what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. How does THIS figure into your 'everyone is a sinner'?
What about those with mental disabilities? People with certain forms of Asperger's or Autism have difficulty acting within the societal norm. Are these people 'sinners'?
What about those who have been so abused, physically, sexually, mentally, that doing something, ANYthing, to get the attention they so desperately need, even if what they do is considered 'wrong', how does THAT figure into your 'everyone is a sinner'?
Is your god so loving, so caring, so gentle, meek and mild, that he would send to hell, a young boy who has stolen, or committed criminal damage as a result of his sexual abuse, by some adult who was meant to protect him, to care for him? Is that child now a 'sinner'? For acting out, in the only way he knew, to get attention other than the predatory kind?
What about the homeless woman who resorts to stealing food, because she will starve otherwise? Is SHE now a 'sinner'?
What about the child that lived an entirely blameless life, that is one day murdered? Were they a 'sinner'? Ten years old, perfectly able to understand good and bad, right from wrong, lived a good life. Where would they fall in your 'everyone is a sinner'?
Using a blanket term, 'everyone is a sinner', is a waste of time when it comes to real life. Morals are incredibly subjective. Right and Wrong is incredibly subjective. Things considered 'bad' can, have been and will be done for 'good' reasons, or simply out of pure necessity. 'Good' things can, have been and will be done for 'bad' reasons.
To even suggest that these people deserve to die and burn in hell for eternity is abhorrent to me. To assert this based on a book that I have no belief in, is just ludicrous. To assert this based on a book that has no evidence for its validity, outside of itself, is even more so.
To suggest that I, as a normal person, who lives a good, blameless life, hurting no-one, helping when I can, am a sinner and that I deserve to go to hell, is disgusting, absolutely insulting. Do you not understand why it is so?
'As for your previous statements, some of the things in Jewish culture have been done away with.'
Uh. Ok. And?
'Ask yourself this. Is murder wrong? If yes, WHY? Should murderers be punished? Be honest.'
Again, this subject is subjective. Murder for the sake of killing, murder for financial gain, murder in a fit of rage, murder during mugging/burglaries, murder in most situations is of course wrong. However, murder in self defence, which covers victims retaliating against mugging/burglaries and abuse of any kind, protecting ones self, family or friends, even protecting a stranger, soldiers at war, police at work and so on, is acceptable.
The former is not acceptable, because it is in direct opposition to societal norm. In purely evolutionary terms, killing other members of your immediate tribe is detrimental to not only the trust, respect and empathy your fellow tribesmen feel for you, but it also endangers the tribe's ability to flourish. If a member of the tribe kills indiscriminately, what is to stop that member from killing everyone, eventually? That member puts in jeopardy the whole tribe, by extinguishing genes that should have been passed on to the next generation and weakening the tribe as a whole, emotionally as well as physically.
Any member of the tribe that can overcome the emotional attachment and empathy that prevents most people from hurting one-another, is a dangerous element. Humans have evolved as a gregarious, tribal species, murder is something that goes against that, it helps no-one but the murderer. Hence, we have developed the group understanding that killing another member of our tribe is 'wrong'.
These days, it is expanded with the societal 'right to live', murderers take away that right. They take a life that could have been long and fruitful; they remove a personality, a set of experiences and knowledge, a set of genes that could have been wonderful. They take away everything that that life could have been.
In my view, we are living the only lives we have. There is nothing for us after we die, except nothingness. This is it. We have our almost-century of life, of experiences, of giving, loving, hating, learning and passing on of knowledge, and then that's it. To take away the only life we have, to force an end to someone who could have gone on for decades more, for years more, or for only months, weeks or even days more, is wrong, because it puts an end to the only life there is.
I do think a murderer should be punished. I think murderers should be locked up for the rest of their lives, to waste away in a cell, with little to do and no freedom to do it in. They took away the life, the freedom, of another, so they, in turn, should have no life and no freedom. They should be left to stew in the knowledge that they did this to themselves.
I believe this, understanding that once a person dies, there is nothing. No ultimate judgement, no heaven or hell. As I said, this is the only life we have; this is the only life anyone has. Once we die, that's it.
I also don't think hell is viable. Even if they have murdered, sentencing them to ETERNITY in hell is excessive. Eternity burning in a lake of fire or eternity without god's presence, it makes no matter, this is wrong. It is torture, pure and simple, and torture is a reprehensible act. Any god or gods that advocates sending anyone, for whatever act, to hell for eternity, in my view, is not a good, not a loving and not a just god.
'In marriage, sex is fine, but rape is the unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman by FORCE against their will, so it is wrong.'
I'm glad we agree on the rape thing. However, it didn't answer my question, which is reproduced for you here:
'Should we treat thinking about having sex, the same as rape? Do THEY get the same punishment? Why?'
Do these two sins get the same punishment, and why? Considering there really is only one punishment, (being sent to hell for eternity), I am at a loss to understand why they are both sins. Thinking about doing something, is not the same as actually doing it. Why should they both get the same punishment?
Also, WHY is it wrong to have sex outside of wedlock? I understand why they added that law in the original text, but why do YOU think it is so? What is YOUR interpretation?
'Jesus died for us because we are ALL sinners.'
Again. I didn't ask him to. I take responsibility for my own life, for my own actions. I do not want and would not expect someone else to take responsibility for them for me. See my above comments on sin and being a sinner.
'If you told one lie, you are a liar and deserve to perish in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8) and be seperate from God because he Is holy.'
Then your god is not a just or loving god, he is a petty, vindictive god. Morals are subjective, to treat a lie told because it prevents suffering, the same as a lie told because it causes suffering as the same thing, and to give them both the same punishment (and for that punishment to be ETERNAL TORTURE!) is about as wrong as it gets. I reject anyone or anything that acts like this.
'One sin, no matter how small, deserves to be punished. '
Again, your god is a petty and vindictive being, if it acts like this.
'James 2:10 says that if we offend in ONE point, we are guilty of ALL.'
Again, treating thinking about having sex with someone you are not married too, as the same as murdering someone, and giving them both the same punishment, is NOT the act of a loving, generous and just god, it is the action of a petty and vindictive being.
'Jesus Loves us and wanted us to be with him in paradise, not in flames. There is NO greater love story in the entire history of the world, my friend.'
If he loves us and wants us to be with him in paradise, perhaps he can offer up some real proof of his existence? Like he did for Doubting Thomas? No? Never mind then.
'Sin will not last forever. Revelation 21:4 says that when Christ comes back, his kingdom will have no end, all the tears and pain will be no more.'
Again, this doesn't actually answer the question I posed. Here it is again for you, so you can actually address what I asked, rather than an imaginary question that I didn't:
'What about the thousands, millions of people, all over the world, who have faith in him, but are starving to death? Being raped? Being murdered? Seeing their families raped and murdered? Being hit by natural disasters?'
What does sin not lasting forever have to do with the suffering these people are going through RIGHT NOW? How does your loving, just, caring, gentle god explain away this suffering? But I see from your next point, actually, that you've made a rather crap apologetic for the suffering.
'Matthew 5 talks about the poor being blessed.'
I'm pretty sure they'd disagree with you.
'These people may not have everything, but their life can become a testimony for others, even if they are poor, they can still rejoice in the truth of Jesus.'
'A testimony for others'?? THATS your answer for their suffering? This once again proves nothing more than that your god is despicable. He will allow millions of people on the planet to suffer, JUST TO SHOW OTHERS WHAT IT COULD BE LIKE? How do you not get how disgusting that is?
'Josephus was a first century Jewish historian. I quote him from a website:'
Josephus has been debunked by pretty much everyone, even including most Theologians. Also, he wasn't an eye witness, like I actually asked for (again, you are not answering my actual questions.) I will also say that, considering the fantastic things Jesus was supposed to have done (eg; water-to-wine, walking on water, bringing the dead back to life, healing, feeding the five-thousand etc) you'd think there were FAR MORE people writing about him, even in passing, than have actually been found in history. He was supposed to be a big thing, everyone would have been talking about him. Other writings from his day and before, have been found, quite a bit in fact, but there seems to be this huge gaping hole where anything about Jesus should be.
' His blood was analyzed and it was alive- with only 24 chromosomes.
If you go to arkdiscovery.com, under videos, Ron wyatt talks about his experience. He took it to an Israeli lab, not done himself. The results will show to the world in DUE TIME ( 1 Timothy 2:6) and everyone will get to see it along with the ark and ten commandment stones.'
I feel I will have to repeat myself.
This 24 chromosome business is nothing but a big, fat, Christian lie. Where is the evidence? For any of it? Where is the evidence that the site they picked out as the death-site of Jesus, was actually the real death-site? Where is the evidence that the blood apparently found there, actually was found there? Where is the evidence that the blood was 'alive'? Where is the evidence that it had been there for long enough? Where is the evidence that it is actually Jesus' blood? Where is the evidence that it actually has only 24 chromosomes? Where is the evidence that proves 24 chromosomes makes it in any way godly? Where's the evidence that it wasn't a freak of nature? Where's the evidence that it wasn't some form of panspermia?
Oh, also, on top of all that, where is the evidence that Jesus was actually real? You have to prove that one, before you can then go on and answer all of the other questions.
I could probably come up with many more unanswered and unanswerable questions, but at the moment, that's all I feel like.
I would also like to point a few things out.
Firstly, blood is not alive in the first place.
Secondly, humans would not survive the gestation period with only 24 chromosomes.
Thirdly, humans only have 23 chromosome pairs.
Fourthly, anyone who could show this blood to be real, would gain millions of converts overnight. Why have they not shared this discovery?
To put it bluntly, do you realise how incredibly gullible it makes you look, when you profess a belief in this? There is absolutely NO evidence for this ludicrous anecdote. There is in fact, ONLY the anecdote. What's to say the man wasn't lying? I mean, seriously?
Oh, you'll be given all the answers IN DUE TIME. Really? You're satisfied with that? In Due Time? It's been a fair few years since this allegedly happened. With the advancements in technology, all of that information should have been available by now. In fact, if these things had been proven, the scientists working on it would have won a Nobel Prize! In fact, if these scientists, or in deed ANYONE could show that they have some blood, with only 24 chromosomes, that was 'alive' after 2000 years? They'd win every known scientific prize. Why haven't we seen this happen yet?
Ah, that's right. Because it didn't. Because it's nothing than a made-up story. Ah well.
'I explained everything to you. The scientific evidence above speaks for itself.'
No. You didn't and it doesn't.
'I hope you find it in your heart to believe and accept Jesus as savior.'
Once someone shows me that he was real, not as a person, (that I am willing to accept), but as the 'Son of God', then I may start to consider it. But so far, there has been zero proof of Jesus' divinity or the Christian god.
H
I'll keep y'all appraised of any replies etc.
