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Video: Unintelligent Design - The Dysteleological Argument

Is evidence of inherent bad design a strong argument against an all-loving, all-powerful, God?

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The argument from poor design, known as the Dysteleological Argument, is an argument against the existence of an omnibenevolent creator god. The argument follows that if there existed a deity that possessed unlimited intelligence, love, talent, knowledge, power, resources and time, it would not create creatures with obvious design flaws and suboptimal features.

 
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It doesn't necessarily follow that there is no God just because design etc is crappy. Even if the God is omiscient, omnipotent and all that jazz none of this prevents said God from being a massive ass hole because benevolence isn't included in your list of attributes. Even if it were (included) God could have some weird ass explanation accounting for the dickishness as perceived by us.

Don't get me wrong, crappy "design" (wrong word, I know) doesn't exactly tempt one to believe in a God either, but it wouldn't follow that there isn't one. Just makes it seem all the more odd if there is.
 
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I guess the argument is more to the point of ruling out the omni gods. As in, could a deity be all-loving and have limitless resources & time, yet make significant & maladaptive design flaws that cause pain & suffering to its creation?

*SD* said:
It doesn't necessarily follow that there is no God just because design etc is crappy. Even if the God is omiscient, omnipotent and all that jazz none of this prevents said God from being a massive ass hole because benevolence isn't included in your list of attributes. Even if it were (included) God could have some weird ass explanation accounting for the dickishness as perceived by us.

Don't get me wrong, crappy "design" (wrong word, I know) doesn't exactly tempt one to believe in a God either, but it wouldn't follow that there isn't one. Just makes it seem all the more odd if there is.
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One could argue the answer is no, since most of us humans seem to believe in some sort of deity and we happen to live on this planet, only about 30% of which is inhabitable by us without extra shelter and clothing. Of course we still haven't proven the existence of those deities, so maybe yes.

I would argue the original design & fine tuning arguments disprove the omnipotent god anyway. I mean any self-respecting all-powerful god shouldn't need worry about design or fine tuning. It could just make beings that can live anywhere.
 
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I say yes with one caveat to the poll question associated with this thread. Evidence of inherent lousy design is a strong argument against an all-loving, all-powerful god that had us in mind. There is the possibility that an all-loving, omnipotent god created this universe, not for us, yet we exist in it as an emergent form from the system.
 
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We are designed so that people who chose to be evil can die and be separated from the people who chose good. It would be unloving for God to make us indestructible.
 
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