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him said:According to you and those like you, the ultimate ancestry has everything to do with 'The Big Bang'.
For your information, "God did it" is True and seems wiser than.".We are working on Abiogenesis and are close to a Theory but not yet. As to before TBB, don't know yet".Saying 'we don't know' maybe fine for you but it is not fine for those seeking Truth.
me said:Actually realizing that you don't know is the first step on the path to truth. If you just guess and assume that you are right, then you will probably never find out what really happened. I'm sorry that you are too prideful to admit that you really don't know.
him said:You and those like you "really don't know"..you have admitted so.
It is not pride which restrains me from stating, I don't know..it is Truthfulness...for if I would state that I didn't know, I would be a liar.
me said:Bear in mind, there is a difference between knowledge and belief, even if you are 100% convinced that you are right, that does not turn belief into knowledge. I suppose if you really do know that your conclusion is correct, then you could easily supply me with the unambiguous, objective evidence that lead to it. I would love to see it, you see, I am well aware that my beliefs could be wrong, and am willing to change the if given a rational, convincing reason.
him said:It is also good to bear in mind that knowledge and belief are inseperable
It is only the God which you don't believe exists, that could easily supply you with the unambiguous and objective evidence.
Seek and you shall find.
me said:It is honestly impossible for me to "seek" God as long as I don't believe in Him, and due to the rigorous way in which I critique my own ideas, it is impossible for me to believe that He exists without unambiguous objective evidence. Imagine trying to sincerely ask a spirit from another religion to appear to you.
If God has given you objective evidence, then you can easily pass it on to me. That's what "objective" means. Now show me your evidence, or admit that you really don't know.
him said:Since God, by Jesus Christ, has revealed His Truth to me, not you nor anyone else can ever give me any ultimatum.
If God grants it, I will not hesitate to relay this that you enquire of.
There is only one True Religion.
me said:Until you provide me with such evidence, your assertion that there is only one true religion is bare. Knowledge may only be arrived at through logical reasoning and investigation, not by "feelings" or epiphanies, and certainly not by faith. If you have no objective unambiguous evidence to support your position, then by definition you do not know, and to claim that you do is to bear false witness.
him said:Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
me said:That's all? Even if it is, you still have yet to provide evidence.
him said:What was the evidence of impending death in the cases where young, pefectly healty individuals suddenly dropped dead.
me said:Red herring logical fallacy. Evidence is required for one to know something, not for it to be true. I am not attacking the existence of your God, I am attacking your claim to know that He exists. If you do not have unambiguous objective evidence for His existence then you do not know, regardless of whether or not He truly exists, just like no one knows when someone is going to suddenly die of a brain aneurysm. Quit changing the subject and address my points, or concede.
him said:Although worded diferrent.Ultimatum remains Denied.
me said:So you're going to continue ignoring my points and claiming to be right? How ignorant. You do realize that you will never convince me that way? You will never convince anyone of anything besides your own arrogance, dishonesty, and delusion that way. I suppose then you will fail at your primary mission of conversion.
him said:What's wrong with you?
I stated to you that ultimatums given are useless.
How arrogant of you to continue.
me said:Behind each of my ultimatums are logical arguments. Most would see this, but apparently you cannot, my mistake apparently was not arrogance, but overestimation of your cognitive abilities. I will lay out the arguments in the most easily comprehensible manner I can.
"Now show me your evidence, or admit that you really don't know. "
-You must have objective unambiguous evidence to know that God exists, if the evidence is objective, then it should be easy to relay it to me. If you do not, then either 1)You know that God exists and have the evidence, but do not want me to know, or 2)You have no evidence and thus do not know, and are being dishonest by claiming that you do.
"Quit changing the subject and address my points, or concede."
-I have made several points against your posts, if you are right then it should be easy for you to address them. If however you continue to change the subject whenever I make a point, then either 1) You are right, but do not care about convincing me, or 2) You are wrong and unable to counter my points.
him said:Whatever motivates your ultimatums,They remain Denied.
You have elivated yourself to, the height of arrogance.
me said:I have lain out my arguments, if you do not address them, you lose.
him said:You are incorrigible.
me said:Continue to heap you baseless insults on me, it only makes you position look more desperate.
him said:You are behaving as a spoiled brat.
No ultimatums mean none,nihil habet.
me said:Good, more insults! Did you even look at my arguments?
Maybe he thought this was another ultimatum (He used that word a lot and seemed to base a lot off of it, maybe he just learned what it meant and got a boner about it and just had to sound smart to someone) and got so gosh darn frustrated with an agent of the devil!GoodKat said:Did you even look at my arguments?
Why did you not take this opportunity to offer the chance that you were an agent of God telling him he should relay this? Haha...He said:If God grants it, I will not hesitate to relay this that you enquire of.