Unifying all Conspiracy Theories

[Pineapplejuice]

Hello everybody,

recently I have found a couple people who believe in all sorts of CTs. What I noticed was that the same themes occur again and again. Most of them have a religious background. And I found that most of them have their ideas from guys like this: Dr. Walter Veith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIjOYJzIPs&feature=related

Somebody gave me 4 dvds with talks from Veith. I could only watch one because its just so ridiculous. Check him out most of his stuff can be viewed on youtube.

Anyway other people go the same way. Veith and others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHX70oNBZ4A&feature=related are using pretty much everything that has ever been called a conspiracy theory.

its all in the same style as good old John Todd, here are some things they claim:

1. Evolution is not true and most like invented by satanists.
2. 9/11 was an inside job.
3. JFK assassination was planned and executed by the US government. Everybody who was an eyewithness has been murdered or died under myterious circumstances.
4. Freemasons want to control the world but they themselves are controlled by the Illuminati(the Freemasons are not aware of this) and the Illuminati are controlled by the Jesuit Order.
5. The Jesuits control everything even the mafia in Italy.
6. Every Politician that has ever been elected was a 33,° Freemason. Including George W. Bush, Saddam Hussein, Angela Merkel, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair etc.
7. A lot of famous people have been Illuminati including Bertrand Russell.
8. Satan is behind it all.


The two videos I mentioned are very good examples of what kind of stuff they are talking about. Somebody told me the german chancellor Angela Merkel is a 33,° Freemason and has said so herself in interviews. I asked him how do you know this I have never heard of it before? He said that we could look it up on the internet. So we did... after two hours of searching we found nothing not one clue that she is somehow a member. This didnt change his mind though. A lot of people that go to his church (mennonites) believe this stuff.

This Veith guy in particular was with the Seventh day adventists. However the church has distanced itself from him. This does not stop the communities to invite him to give talks where hundreds of people attend. He uses stuff to make up stories like Dan Brown does. HBO is in on it too, the circle with the dot in the middle thats somehow a satanic symbol or something I dont quite remember. The music industry is in on it too( like we didnt know that miley cyrus is a bad influence :x ) I read on some blog that he also claims that alpha waves are used for mind control. He takes a lot of his stuff from Morals and Dogma http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm and http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/mhj/index.htm

Another thing that I noticed as I looked through the channels on youtube that host these videos is that some of the commentors are very very paranoid. Somebody went on a rant about chemtrails and was cursing the government for using chemicals on them to control their brain.

I would usually ignore all this nonsense but I found that more and more people are believing this stuff. At least where I come from. I think we have found our new Kent Hovind in Dr. Veith and he actually has a Dr. in zoology.

 

[Gnug215]

Hi Pineapple!

The psychology of conspiracy theorists (and fundies/creationists) has fascinated me for a long time.

This Veith guy... I had to admit, I tried watching the video you link to, but I couldn't stand it. I had to stop after 30 seconds. I can't tolerate his voice/accent.
What the hell kind of speech impediment is that? Proh - tuh - stant - izz - uhm?

But yeah, there seem to be some common themes with the CTs, and they often try to unify it into a larger picture, which I guess makes some kind of sense. People who are willing to believe this kind of thing would almost have to think something larger is going on.
I think it's clear that these people are desperately looking for a larger meaning. They don't seem to be able to handle loose ends of any sort. It's like they don't have the mental acumen, strength or even ability to uphold a "tentative" view of the world, so to speak. They need absolute answers to everything right away.
And their pattern recognition centre in the brain is working over-time, of course.

Try checking out this guy:


His name is David Wilcock. He's a bit like... the hippie version of the conspiracy theorist.
The amount of bullshit he is able to cram into such small space is, quite frankly, awe inspiring.

 

[Pineapplejuice]

Dr. Veith is from south africa thats why he is talking this way

wow this David Wilcock is something else! You are right so much crap in such a small amount of time. I mean really crop circles?

I just came back from a talk with someone who tells me that scientists have concluded that the earth is 6000 years old. So I am used to a lot of bullshit and I think I have had my fair share today.

Ive got to check this Wilcock guy out but not today..

 

[MrEsox]

i think that the issue of control, or lack thereof, plays an important role with some of these people. i've known only a couple people who were "in to" various cons. theories and one thing they seem to have had in common was a feeling that they had no control over anything or had no power to try try and change things. they feel like a piece of flotsam being pushed along by larger forces. then someone comes along and says "yeah, you're not in control. group x,y,or z is actually in control. " (because sombody has to be in control....right.) this then validates their own feelings. this is just one thing i've noticed in the small number (2 or 3) of CT believers i've known.

 

[Pineapplejuice]

yup I agree MrEsox,

it seems that most of the people who believe conspiracy theories are also believers in the supernatural. I wonder if there is a correlation between that. I mean if you don't need evidence for one thing to believe in then conspiracy theories are easy to swallow.

It makes it also easier to say that there is a higher power in control. Otherwise things would not make much sense for them.

 

[MrEsox]

i would say that you're probably right about beliefs in the supernatural. it only makes sense. the people i'm familiar with did express some beliefs in supernatural phenomena.

also, the great thing about feeling powerless and not in control is that it relieves you of any responsibility. "it's not my fault. i can't do anything about it. they are too powerful. what's the point." this also gives me pause to wonder if many of the "lay" CT believers actually do truely believe. take, for instance, chemtrails. if i honestly believed that the gov't was poisoning us for whatever reason i would do what i could to expose it. i think it would not be too difficult, with todays powerful, hi-tech telescopes, cameras, and laptops, to get some extreme close-ups of these planes that are leaving chemtrails. that would answer the question of whether those trails were sprayed or are in fact just condensation trails. i don't know, maybe people are just too happy with their illusions.

 

[Pineapplejuice]

Well I talked to my creationist friend and I think I changed his mind concerning CTs. I just mentioned the most stupid things that CT believers claim. Like Bill Clinton pointing with his index finger at Gerhard Schroeder( former german chancellor) in front of the press. Some people including our friend Dr. Veith say that this is a secret Illuminati gesture. Riiiiight... the secret Illuminati handshake ... in front of the whole world press ... for everyone to see, you know makes sense.

The chemtrail stuff is really really stupid. Most people know that its just condensation. I dont wand to sound like a smart ass but come on, chemtrails? :roll:

So now I only have to tell my friend how stupid creationism is. He thinks fish fossils on Mt. Everest can only be explained by a global flood... pure logic.

I think with people like the ones who contribute to wikileaks, its pretty hard for the evil Jesuits and Freemasons and Illuminati to keep their secrets right?

 

[nasher168]

:shock:
You missed out the Elvis-living-on-the-moon conspiracy theories!

 

[MRaverz]

Unifying them all?

I'd say it comes down to stupid, arrogant people who refuse to accept that they could be wrong so they twist the truth to suit them.

 

[Case]

I think we should drop these conspiracy theory guys off in the jungle - with a pair of sturdy pants and a machete. Let's keep them in there for, say, a month or so and see whether they still believe this crap when they don't have too much time on their hands. If they don't make it (because they don't know jack about survival in the jungle)... let's ask them on their deathbed if they accept natural selection.

 

[MRaverz]

I think we should drop these conspiracy theory guys off in the jungle - with a pair of sturdy pants and a machete. Let's keep them in there for, say, a month or so and see whether they still believe this crap when they don't have too much time on their hands. If they don't make it (because they don't know jack about survival in the jungle)... let's ask them on their deathbed if they accept natural selection.

You know, that sounds like something the New World Order would do. :O

 

[Case]

The third world order, you mean.

 

[Worldquest]

It's unwise to just lump all conspiracy theories and all conspiracy theorists together and say that they're all wrong.

 

[MRaverz]

It's unwise to just lump all conspiracy theories and all conspiracy theorists together and say that they're all wrong.

Good point, conspiracies do actually exist.

We're grouping the ones with no evidence but massive followings.

 

[Worldquest]

What difference does it make if it has a big or small or no following? If it's true, it's true, and if it's not, it's not. For example, many people believe that 911 happened the way they're told it happened by the news, and for the reasons told to them by the news. Most people don't check it out, they just assume that the news is telling them the truth. The mainstream media has a massive following, probably the biggest following.

Some people, as well as listening to what the news tells them, also go out of their way to see what others say about it. The news may be correct, or it might not be, and those others who don't work for the mainstream media may be correct, or they might be wrong. But at least those who check out mainstream and non mainstream information are in a position to tell the difference between the two, and at least form some kind of judgment and opinion, whereas those who don't, can't. If you've done this and you still believe the mainstream, that's fine, because at least you're in a position to make a comparison.

Mainstream media, Alex Jones, David Icke, other conspiracy researchers, who has the biggest following?

 

[nasher168]

Mainstream media, Alex Jones, David Icke, other conspiracy researchers, who has the biggest following?

You're not seriously putting forward David Icke and Alex Jones as plausible are you? Also, if you are trying to do the "9/11 was an inside job" thing, I would first watch this guy's videos, which debunk just about every nutty claim ever put forward by the conspiracy theorists: http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4

 

[Worldquest]

Mainstream media, Alex Jones, David Icke, other conspiracy researchers, who has the biggest following?

You're not seriously putting forward David Icke and Alex Jones as plausible are you? Also, if you are trying to do the "9/11 was an inside job" thing, I would first watch this guy's videos, which debunk just about every nutty claim ever put forward by the conspiracy theorists: http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4

Of all the things to say, you've picked the 2 things which I never even made any reference to. At no point did I say that David Icke or Alex Jones are plausible, or that 911 was an inside job (but in case you're wondering, I do believe those 2 things and now in this post I'm saying it). What I actually said was, well, it's all in my previous post, and I was hoping you'd respond to what I said.

 

[nasher168]

Of all the things to say, you've picked the 2 things which I never even made any reference to. At no point did I say that David Icke or Alex Jones are plausible, or that 911 was an inside job (but in case you're wondering, I do believe those 2 things and now in this post I'm saying it). What I actually said was, well, it's all in my previous post, and I was hoping you'd respond to what I said.

You strongly hinted at it. You called them "conspiracy researchers" rather than conspiracy theorists and you said "many people believe that 911 happened the way they're told it happened by the news". The tone and terminology of your post gave extremely strong hints that you were about to start.

Just as a quick question: are you Niocan back under a different username? It's just that you have expressed very similar views to Niocan, and appeared on the forum about two weeks after Niocan was banned. If you are not, then a quick forum search should show you who Niocan is and perhaps why I might suspect you of being Niocan.

 

[Worldquest]

Ok so I hinted at it, but the bulk of my post was about something else. No I'm just me, if you want to check that out go ahead. Can I ask you a quick question? Could you respond to what I said in my last post?

 

[MrEsox]

If it's true, it's true, and if it's not, it's not.

yeah, so? that is obvious.

What difference does it make if it has a big or small or no following?

it makes a big difference. if it is one person in some cabin on a mountain then, yeah, who cares. as you get more and more people following a CT the likelihood that someone will "act" on those beliefs increases. there are people who believe the gov't (USA) is trying to poison everyone either through chem-trails in the air or flouride in the water. people also believe there are massive FEMA concentration camps for the imprisonment of large numbers of its citizens. not to mention the mass graves that have been and are being dug and the rail cars that are really mobile gas chambers. as more and more people believe this crap it is inevitable that people will take violent action against the gov't. like i said earlier, if i thought the gov't was trying to or planning on killing me, i would take action. wouldn't you?