Thunderf00t in trouble...!

[Dogma's Demise]

"A few weeks ago, he threatened to publish private e-mails that would have resulted in my name being compromised, and seemed to persist in these threats after I suggested the possible consequences."

As I said, the e-mail could easily be copy/pasted with the personal details censored out. And besides, why don't you prove this accusation? Give me Thunderf00t's own statement.

So the fact that Tf00t can edit the emails to not contain personal information makes it ok for him to reveal those emails? Are you actually aware what you are saying? Listen, these mails are confidential and it was expected that they remain confidential. Whether it was illegal or not is irrelevant because what he did is mean and idiotic. These mails not only contain names of FtB posters who post on an alias, but opinions and stories of people which they do not want to be made public. What Thunderf00t did is inexcusable and defending him just shows you are as bad as him. What he did was wrong and people should just admit that he is just being an asshat and troll now.

Do you have reading problems or are you just so biased against TF that you'll automatically react negatively to the slightest defense? I said and I'll repeat it if you want:

It's obviously not ethical either and TF should apologize for that and never pull that again, but to compare it with DF's antics is just unfair.

 

[Laurens]

Do you have reading problems or are you just so biased against TF that you'll automatically react negatively to the slightest defense? I said and I'll repeat it if you want:

It's obviously not ethical either and TF should apologize for that and never pull that again, but to compare it with DF's antics is just unfair.

Why do you care about that so much? If he's done something unethical why the fuck does it matter to you that people compare him to DawahFilms?

And regardless I wasn't saying that their actions were the same, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of someone who is outraged by a violation of their own privacy, yet has no qualms against violating the privacy of others. That's not the same thing as saying 'TF did exactly the same thing as DawahFilms'.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

I have yet to mention DawahFIlms.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

So the fact that Tf00t can edit the emails to not contain personal information makes it ok for him to reveal those emails? Are you actually aware what you are saying? Listen, these mails are confidential and it was expected that they remain confidential. Whether it was illegal or not is irrelevant because what he did is mean and idiotic. These mails not only contain names of FtB posters who post on an alias, but opinions and stories of people which they do not want to be made public. What Thunderf00t did is inexcusable and defending him just shows you are as bad as him. What he did was wrong and people should just admit that he is just being an asshat and troll now.

Honestly, it might be worse in a way. As deluded as TF is, as pathologically paranoid as he's behaving, at least he's directly involved. His defenders are engaging in the same rhetoric and seem that they'd behave in the same reason for absolutely no reason besides their fawning supplication to a stranger who makes videos that they like to watch.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

So the fact that Tf00t can edit the emails to not contain personal information makes it ok for him to reveal those emails? Are you actually aware what you are saying? Listen, these mails are confidential and it was expected that they remain confidential. Whether it was illegal or not is irrelevant because what he did is mean and idiotic. These mails not only contain names of FtB posters who post on an alias, but opinions and stories of people which they do not want to be made public. What Thunderf00t did is inexcusable and defending him just shows you are as bad as him. What he did was wrong and people should just admit that he is just being an asshat and troll now.

Honestly, it might be worse in a way. As deluded as TF is, as pathologically paranoid as he's behaving, at least he's directly involved. His defenders are engaging in the same rhetoric and seem that they'd behave in the same reason for absolutely no reason besides their fawning supplication to a stranger who makes videos that they like to watch.

I might have gone a bit overboard calling out DD.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I might have gone a bit overboard calling out DD.

...and also possibly not far enough, in a sense. Depends on your focus.

 

[Dogma's Demise]

I knew this accusation would come up, oh you're just defending him because you're basically a fanboy, bullshit, I recognize his faults as well and I actually take that exploit a bit more seriously too now than when I first did in my older post. He should have recognized it was a flaw in the software, clearly not intended functionality, and restrained himself from taking advantage of it.

Why do you care about that so much? If he's done something unethical why the fuck does it matter to you that people compare him to DawahFilms?

Because accurate criticism is preferable to inaccurate one. Imagine you were involved in a simple theft and got charged with ARMED robbery which tends to be a more serious offense than mere theft.

Okay, well I agree that both are a breach of privacy, but there's quite a difference between posting conversations that the people engaged in would rather remain private AND posting their real names, home addresses, phone numbers, bothering their co-workers/employer in real life etc. which can in fact put people at risk (the first scenario doesn't).

 

[Laurens]

Why do you care about that so much? If he's done something unethical why the fuck does it matter to you that people compare him to DawahFilms?

Because accurate criticism is preferable to inaccurate one. Imagine you were involved in a simple theft and got charged with ARMED robbery which tends to be a more serious offense than mere theft.

You might have a point had I said Thuderf00t has done exactly what DawahFilms had done. But I didn't, I criticised him as being a hypocrite for chastising Dawah for a violation of his privacy before going and violating other people's privacy.

Say someone beats you up, and you openly criticise violence, then later you go and punch someone in the face. Punching someone in the face isn't the same as beating them up, but you'd still be a hypocrite for having condemned violence, yet acted violently yourself.

Okay, well I agree that both are a breach of privacy, but there's quite a difference between posting conversations that the people engaged in would rather remain private AND posting their real names, home addresses, phone numbers, bothering their co-workers/employer in real life etc. which can in fact put people at risk (the first scenario doesn't).

You're saying that what Thunderf00t has done hasn't put anyone at risk?

Again you're working on the assumption that he won't release any of the names/private details contained in the emails. What basis do you have for making this assumption? For all I know he could be leaking personal details all over the internet right now... You cannot say that there is no risk based upon the fact that Thuderf00t has stated that he doesn't doc drop.

People are at risk, whether that risk is small or large remains to be seen, however it is clear that Thunderf00t cannot be trusted, so we have no reason to assume he's being honest when he says that he won't doc drop anyone...

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Again you're working on the assumption that he won't release any of the names/private details contained in the emails. What basis do you have for making this assumption? For all I know he could be leaking personal details all over the internet right now... You cannot say that there is no risk based upon the fact that Thuderf00t has stated that he doesn't doc drop.

People are at risk, whether that risk is small or large remains to be seen, however it is clear that Thunderf00t cannot be trusted, so we have no reason to assume he's being honest when he says that he won't doc drop anyone...

Anyone who would make the assumption that there's no risk is seriously wrong. TF has already violated people's privacy by reading emails that he knew he wasn't supposed to have access to. He further violated their privacy by sharing emails with third parties. He's actively bragging about doing both things, seems to be proud of his unethical behavior, and is getting tons of praise from very stupid people for being an unethical person.

So why wouldn't he take the next step? He knows that he has an army of idiots to back him up and stroke his ego for doing it.

 

[Laurens]

Anyone who would make the assumption that there's no risk is seriously wrong. TF has already violated people's privacy by reading emails that he knew he wasn't supposed to have access to. He further violated their privacy by sharing emails with third parties. He's actively bragging about doing both things, seems to be proud of his unethical behavior, and is getting tons of praise from very stupid people for being an unethical person.

So why wouldn't he take the next step? He knows that he has an army of idiots to back him up and stroke his ego for doing it.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Dogma's Demise would be justifiably worried if I had gained access to his emails that contained personal information, even if I assured him that I wasn't going to release any of it. What reason would he have for trusting my word given that I'd already gone to the effort of violating his trust rather spectacularly.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Anyone who would make the assumption that there's no risk is seriously wrong. TF has already violated people's privacy by reading emails that he knew he wasn't supposed to have access to. He further violated their privacy by sharing emails with third parties. He's actively bragging about doing both things, seems to be proud of his unethical behavior, and is getting tons of praise from very stupid people for being an unethical person.

So why wouldn't he take the next step? He knows that he has an army of idiots to back him up and stroke his ego for doing it.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Dogma's Demise would be justifiably worried if I had gained access to his emails that contained personal information, even if I assured him that I wasn't going to release any of it. What reason would he have for trusting my word given that I'd already gone to the effort of violating his trust rather spectacularly.

A bit more than that, because TF has ALREADY released personal emails, and brags about having all the information he needs to blackmail people. All he has to do is not scrub the personal information, and we don't have any reason to believe that he hasn't already leaked personal information, or will do so with zero effort in the future.

 

[Laurens]

A bit more than that, because TF has ALREADY released personal emails, and brags about having all the information he needs to blackmail people. All he has to do is not scrub the personal information, and we don't have any reason to believe that he hasn't already leaked personal information, or will do so with zero effort in the future.

Indeed, there is no telling where he will take his vendetta, especially now this news has exploded all over the internet...

Thunderf00t is exactly the sort of person who would release personal information from these emails, then make a post arguing that this isn't doc dropping somehow... And the sad thing is, his moronic followers would probably swallow it.

 

[The Felonius Pope]

I fail to see why anyone is defending Thunderf00t after all of this bullshit. Likewise, I fail to see why anyone defended Dawkins after he made the 'Dear Muslima' comment. Are these people afraid of disagreeing with popular atheists? Afraid of criticizing them? Fuck that. Also, screw the Thunderf00t followers who say that FtB is a hive mind. When I disagreed with AronRa I criticized him on his own thread.

-Sorry about the bad language.

 

[Dogma's Demise]

Thunderf00t has criticized DawahFilms SPECIFICALLY for doc-dropping, TF has never done that so I don't find an inconsistency here.

Here's the thing, and I think I said this before, Thunderf00t once had legitimate access to that mailing list, a lot of personal information was already available to him - 100% legit. So think about that for a minute. If I was him and I had the intention to doc-drop, I wouldn't even need to get back in, I'd already having enough information.

He hasn't doc-dropped, end of story. Please stick to accusations you can actually substantiate. It's innocent until proven guilty. It's not about "defending" him or "blindly following" him, it's just that I refuse to swallow these over-demonization tactics. You say he is "exactly the sort of person who would release personal information from these emails, then make a post arguing that this isn't doc dropping somehow". How do you know that? It's just poor speculation here.

I wonder what other conclusions you've reached with this line of reasoning, maybe you view me as the kind of person likely to commit violence against Muslims for being Muslims and rationalize it as defensive or some shit like that. :roll:

 

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[Laurens]

Thunderf00t has criticized DawahFilms SPECIFICALLY for doc-dropping, TF has never done that so I don't find an inconsistency here.

How is passing on private emails to third parties so radically different from releasing someone's personal details? Again how do you know that he won't doc drop anyone? What is your reason for believing that?

Here's the thing, and I think I said this before, Thunderf00t once had legitimate access to that mailing list, a lot of personal information was already available to him - 100% legit. So think about that for a minute. If I was him and I had the intention to doc-drop, I wouldn't even need to get back in, I'd already having enough information.

Are you not aware of how the situation is different from when he was on FtB to when he had been kicked off? You don't think he could have developed an intention to doc drop along side his rabid vendetta against FtB that he has developed since being kicked off? What are you trying to argue by saying this?

He hasn't doc-dropped, end of story. Please stick to accusations you can actually substantiate. It's innocent until proven guilty. It's not about "defending" him or "blindly following" him, it's just that I refuse to swallow these over-demonization tactics. You say he is "exactly the sort of person who would release personal information from these emails, then make a post arguing that this isn't doc dropping somehow". How do you know that? It's just poor speculation here.

When did I say that he did? All I am saying is that there is a risk, and we have absolutely no reason to take his word that he won't doc drop. I didn't say that he definitely would do that, I am just saying that he is the sort of person whom I could see doing something like that based upon his past nonsense.

Let me ask you again, what reason do you have for assuming that Thuderf00t will not release any of the personal information that he has had access to?

I wonder what other conclusions you've reached with this line of reasoning, maybe you view me as the kind of person likely to commit violence against Muslims for being Muslims and rationalize it as defensive or some shit like that. :roll:

What is so unreasonable about thinking that someone who has gone out of their way to defame FtB to the extent that they have gained access to private communications - which they have already passed on to third parties - who is being egged on by a group of equally vitriolic fan boys, might just go that one step further?

What makes your position that much more reasonable? Because Thunderf00t has said he won't doc drop? Is that all you have in his defence?

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Thunderf00t has criticized DawahFilms SPECIFICALLY for doc-dropping, TF has never done that so I don't find an inconsistency here.

Here's the thing, and I think I said this before, Thunderf00t once had legitimate access to that mailing list, a lot of personal information was already available to him - 100% legit. So think about that for a minute. If I was him and I had the intention to doc-drop, I wouldn't even need to get back in, I'd already having enough information.

He hasn't doc-dropped, end of story. Please stick to accusations you can actually substantiate. It's innocent until proven guilty. It's not about "defending" him or "blindly following" him, it's just that I refuse to swallow these over-demonization tactics. You say he is "exactly the sort of person who would release personal information from these emails, then make a post arguing that this isn't doc dropping somehow". How do you know that? It's just poor speculation here.

I wonder what other conclusions you've reached with this line of reasoning, maybe you view me as the kind of person likely to commit violence against Muslims for being Muslims and rationalize it as defensive or some shit like that. :roll:

:facepalm:
Why why why are you still defending Tf00t. What he did is inexcusable. Comparing him to DawahFIlms doesn't make what TF00t did any better. Why do you keep coming here and compare TF00t to Dawah? I do not care what TF00t is saying. What he did was wrong and at this point, he seems to be unpredictable. Rumors have gone around that his friends had to hold an intervention to try and stop TF00t from doing this. He is ruining his own life and the lives of others. At least Dawah's life seems to be stable.

 

[Dogma's Demise]

Let me ask you again, what reason do you have for assuming that Thuderf00t will not release any of the personal information that he has had access to?

I dunno, what reason do you have for assuming that he won't also go on a killing spree against everyone at FtB? That's the point, I don't need a reason. I would say it doesn't appear to be within his character to doc-drop, but you can easily contest that, so I'll just say that it's innocent until proven guilty (on this issue at least).


By the way, can we clarify one thing here because someone used the exact words "forwarding e-mails" that implies he sent the entire e-mail uncensored, complete with original sender and recipient full names. Did he actually do that or just copy/paste segments of it?

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Let me ask you again, what reason do you have for assuming that Thuderf00t will not release any of the personal information that he has had access to?

I dunno, what reason do you have for assuming that he won't also go on a killing spree against everyone at FtB? That's the point, I don't need a reason. I would say it doesn't appear to be within his character to doc-drop, but you can easily contest that, so I'll just say that it's innocent until proven guilty (on this issue at least).


By the way, can we clarify one thing here because someone used the exact words "forwarding e-mails" that implies he sent the entire e-mail uncensored, complete with original sender and recipient full names. Did he actually do that or just copy/paste segments of it?

Why are you still defending him? Who cares what he send? Who cares if these mails contain no real names? He still broke the confidentiality of the emails and sent information to someone. These mails contained things people did not want to make public. Can you guarantee that Micheal Payton won't forward these emails, or that Thunderf00t won't do this again. What makes you think that Thunderf00t won't forward these mails again? All you have is his word and that has proven to be not worth a lot so why are you still defending him?

 

[Laurens]

I dunno, what reason do you have for assuming that he won't also go on a killing spree against everyone at FtB? That's the point, I don't need a reason. I would say it doesn't appear to be within his character to doc-drop, but you can easily contest that, so I'll just say that it's innocent until proven guilty (on this issue at least).

Okay so its in his character to go on a childish butthurt vendetta against FtB that is taken to the extremes of him actually trying and successfully managing to gain access to the private emails of blog members, not only that but bragging about it, and passing content from those emails on to others... But he's too much of a moral and upstanding character to release anyone's personal information?

And I'm not saying he's guilty of doc dropping, I'm saying that there is a risk that he might. Given his previous actions and his campaign of defamation and hatred against FtB, we have no good reason to accept that he wouldn't release personal information based upon his word alone. So I'm not saying he's guilty I'm saying that there is a risk given the way he has been acting of late. What reason do you have to deny this risk?

By the way, can we clarify one thing here because someone used the exact words "forwarding e-mails" that implies he sent the entire e-mail uncensored, complete with original sender and recipient full names. Did he actually do that or just copy/paste segments of it?

Who knows, whether he did or not is irrelevant, he's still passing on content from private emails to other people - which in my book makes him a fucking despicable cunt and a major hypocrite.