Thunderf00t in trouble...!

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

It appears that, following his dismissal from FtB, Thunderf00t has hacked into FtB's servers... :shock:

Thunderf00t/Phil Mason, treacherous hack

I wonder to where this will lead!?

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Laurens]

What a bellend...

 

[CEbbesen]

Well, he has to face the consequences of his actions.

 

[Dustnite]

Why do I get the feeling that this "hack" was simply because no one deauthed Tf00t from the listserv.

If he actually managed an exploit using buffer overflow or something else technical I would pleasantly be surprised. Yes, I'm more interested in the exploit than the actual conversation about FtB and Tf00t.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Why do I get the feeling that this "hack" was simply because no one deauthed Tf00t from the listserv.

If he actually managed an exploit using buffer overflow or something else technical I would pleasantly be surprised. Yes, I'm more interested in the exploit than the actual conversation about FtB and Tf00t.

From what PZ Myers said, it wasn't due to not having de-authorised Thunderf00t's access:

...for the past month, Thunderf00t took advantage of a security exploit to hack into our private mail server; when the hole was closed, he tried multiple time to use the same exploit to get back in.

That phraseology isn't normally used for merely "accessing" a server, due to SAs not being conscientious about security and closing/deleting accounts.

This sounds like the use of an off-the-shelf hacking suite - though I could be wrong.

Bearing in mind that, if it turned out that the SAs involved hadn't done their jobs (properly), then FtB and/or PZ Myers would be rightfully held responsible for the lax security by those whose identities are at risk.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[CEbbesen]

So, it's not a hack? it's just a stupid admin?

Not sure why I thought tf00t was able to hack something.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

I read the blog, and I looked through it...

One thing I missed was any evidence of such linking Thunderf00t to these actions.

Is I understand it, a person in a position to make such a claim in order to slander another must first produce evidence that the misconduct occurred and it's linking to the person involved.
You know, like we see done with DMCA claims and other general ideas.

I don't give two fucks about their petty tom-foolery between FtB and thunderf00t - but I do take heavy notice when such accusations are tossed around without any evidence. ESPECIALLY when it can be conceived that the party in question is in such a position where lying or leaping to false and faulty conclusions would be in their favor, simply on the principle of the matter.

I could see Thunderf00t acting on leaked information from a third party trying to aid him and him being a complete and total fucktard about it - but I don't see the chemist and physicist slamming in keys to run some exploit (this particular one can be found in the BackTrack distro, though it would have needed some tweaking by someone familiar with the script in order to get it to work). Idiocy is not a crime.

I see no evidence, so I will make no judgement.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I read the blog, and I looked through it...

One thing I missed was any evidence of such linking Thunderf00t to these actions.

OK, jackthejoker. :roll:

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Joe,

These jokers and you should have a dick measuring contest.

Holy fuck I've not encountered that aggressive a fanbase since ShockOfGod's chatroom sessions.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Joe,

These jokers and you should have a dick measuring contest.

Holy fuck I've not encountered that aggressive a fanbase since ShockOfGod's chatroom sessions.

It is because you're acting willfully ignorant, as per the usual. :facepalm:

You did the same thing the last time one of these issues came up: you formed an opinion and started spewing it without bothering to take 10-15 minutes to educate yourself even slightly about it. Actually knowing things before talking about them would be helpful, but you prefer to skip that step. I guess when people call you out for it, you use their negative response to justify your position and STILL don't bother to learn anything about anything.

 

[australopithecus]

Thunderf00t is an idiot, regardless of whether he hacked FtB or not.

Case closed.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Thunderf00t is an idiot, regardless of whether he hacked FtB or not.

Case closed.

Well, of course. If someone steals your car, does your car become less stolen if you left the door open rather than having the window smashed? Is the car thief somehow less of a thief, or get some sort of right to keep your car since your security wasn't perfect?

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

It is because you're acting willfully ignorant, as per the usual. :facepalm:

You did the same thing the last time one of these issues came up: you formed an opinion and started spewing it without bothering to take 10-15 minutes to educate yourself even slightly about it. Actually knowing things before talking about them would be helpful, but you prefer to skip that step. I guess when people call you out for it, you use their negative response to justify your position and STILL don't bother to learn anything about anything.

Please.

The fact that there were no citations or links in the original blog post - you know, the things you would expect with such claims - and were divulged in the comments section alone hidden amongst 100 other comments is somewhat unprofessional of itself.
I walked in as a stranger and called it how it was stated - without evidence presented. I apologize if my psychic abilities haven't attuned with the quantum flux of the internet yet, but I'll get there eventually to know the content of articles not yet cited and evidences that were not linked in any way by the claims perpetuated will become magically known to me.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

In my earlier post, I posited the use of a off-the-shelf hacking suite - there's a simpler solution.

I don't know on what OS FtB runs, but It's possible that Thunderf00t used a known security hole to regain access to the listserv, and re-enable his account.

As Zinnia - to which PZ Myers links - points out:

Recently, the Freethought Blogs staff received evidence indicating that some conversations from the private mailing list for FTB bloggers had apparently been leaked to outside parties by Thunderf00t. These conversations had taken place on the list over a month after Thunderf00t had been removed from Freethought Blogs and the private mailing list. Upon examination of the mailing list logs, it was found that Thunderf00t had seemingly been able to regain access to the list immediately after he was removed. Once this was known, he was removed again and prevented from joining. After this, he allegedly repeatedly attempted to re-join the list without success.

By the time we became aware of the breach, Thunderf00t had apparently been able to access all of the dozens of conversations that had taken place on the private list over the past month, during which time his access was believed to be revoked.

)o(Hytegia)o(, I think it's clear that Thunderf00t was the likeliest culprit: PZ Myers indicated that he'd been contacted by Thunderf00t's "friends" to say that they'd persuaded him from continuing. This is not in keeping with one of them having been asked by Thunderf00t to hack FtB - if he had, I can't imagine them doing so, as that individual would have been ultimately legally responsible: no-one in their right mind (ie, not over-emotionally involved) would place themselves in that position. Also, I'm not sure whether this was done from his home or workplace(!)

Kindest regards,

James

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Please.

The fact that there were no citations or links in the original blog post - you know, the things you would expect with such claims - and were divulged in the comments section alone hidden amongst 100 other comments is somewhat unprofessional of itself.
I walked in as a stranger and called it how it was stated - without evidence presented. I apologize if my psychic abilities haven't attuned with the quantum flux of the internet yet, but I'll get there eventually to know the content of articles not yet cited and evidences that were not linked in any way by the claims perpetuated will become magically known to me.

So your assumption is that PZ Myers is a liar, without having actually LOOKED for any evidence. You don't need to be a psychic to not be an idiot.

 

[MetalMeltdown]

For everyone interested in how he did it tecnically speaking:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/2012/08/10/what-thunderf00t-did-and-how/

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

My problem was the implication that this was the only post on the issue and it didn't have any citations or links upon it - to the onlooker, that seems very shady. I'm convinced that everything is a lie until evidence is brought forth otherwise, and that (here's a shocker for you) humans themselves are capable and do lie on occasion for their own benefit.

PZ gathered them all in one collection in a separate blog post - which I'd have thought it should have been linked there as well, at the very least.

All the citations anyone would ever need

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Or, how about we apply your standard to you?

I read the blog, and I looked through it...

One thing I missed was any evidence of such linking Thunderf00t to these actions.

Is I understand it, a person in a position to make such a claim in order to slander another must first produce evidence that the misconduct occurred and it's linking to the person involved.
You know, like we see done with DMCA claims and other general ideas.

I don't give two fucks about their petty tom-foolery between FtB and thunderf00t - but I do take heavy notice when such accusations are tossed around without any evidence. ESPECIALLY when it can be conceived that the party in question is in such a position where lying or leaping to false and faulty conclusions would be in their favor, simply on the principle of the matter.

I could see Thunderf00t acting on leaked information from a third party trying to aid him and him being a complete and total fucktard about it - but I don't see the chemist and physicist slamming in keys to run some exploit (this particular one can be found in the BackTrack distro, though it would have needed some tweaking by someone familiar with the script in order to get it to work). Idiocy is not a crime.

I see no evidence, so I will make no judgement.

Where's your link that proves that there was no evidence? For all we know, you're slandering PZ Myers, since you have thus far refused to provide any evidence that PZ did not in fact provide evidence.

What? There's a post you didn't bother to link to? Am I supposed to be psychic and know that you weren't referring to a phantom post?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

My problem was the implication that this was the only post on the issue and it didn't have any citations or links upon it - to the onlooker, that seems very shady. I'm convinced that everything is a lie until evidence is brought forth otherwise, and that (here's a shocker for you) humans themselves are capable and do lie on occasion for their own benefit.

PZ gathered them all in one collection in a separate blog post - which I'd have thought it should have been linked there as well, at the very least.

All the citations anyone would ever need

You assume everyone is lying all the time? Or just when it suits you? And you feel that assumption is worth calling them out as potential liars, or would it be possible for you to save the accusatory tone and just ask for a link?

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

That was a comment about the OP that had a link to which provided just the details for that.

Come on, Joe - if you wanted to make sense, it would be like me making a blog post about WorldQuest being a total fucking twat and a loon with you not knowing the situation and only seeing people roll on with it as if I was right, without any citations at all.
You and I know that he's a cunt, to be sure. But if I don't demonstrate this in the form of a citation - say, a link to one of the many demonstrated threads and the evidences we HAVE gathered for it - then all you have is a person who writes' blogs opinion and his fans to roll on.

You wouldn't blame a stranger for asking for a link and giving people the stink eye for bandwagon behavior.