I've just been giving these things some thought lately, not really sure if they count as completely valid arguements, but here are my thoughts on the three subjects..
Lets take for example, the god of the Bible. When you read the creation myth, you see that when it came to making the animals, he used natural matter in the process. For the marine animals, he used water, and for the land animals and Adam, he used the dirt from the ground. This is clearly the opposite of Creation Ex Nihilo, or Something coming from nothing. Theists, (especially idiots like Ray Comfort) constantly hound non believers about how they believe that everything came from nothing, but I fail to see how God creating everything from nothing is even more logical in anyway. We can see that god used NATURAL MATTER to create animals, so it calls into question, where did these natural materials come from? If god had to use water and dirt to make animals, what did he use to make water and whatever else other materials were there?
Now for omnipotence. The Theist may respond and say that god is immaterial and omnipotent so he can create matter as he sees fit. Lets consider this. If you had a million dollars but you were stuck on a remote island all alone with no way of contacting anything, are you really rich? No, the money is useless. You have to be able to spend it for it to have any value, it has to have relation with something so you can buy it. So lets consider omnipotence. If there is nothing around for you to use your power on, isnt it essentially useless? If so, then if God was just all by himself, meaning nothing else existed except for him, isnt his omnipotence rendered meaningless? If it is truly absurd and ridiculous that something can from nothing, why is it supernaturally happening an exception? Why should we not also mock them for thinking that something came from nothing, only God did it? Its just as absurb and it raises even more questions.
If God is all knowing, then surely he knows everything about the universe since he supposedly created it. So what about before he created the universe? What did he know about BEFORE anything else except for him existed? If you have knowledge about computers, then surely computers must exist, or you could not have any real knowledge about him. You can't really know about something that doesn't exist at all, and what would be the point in that anyway? When God was all by his lonesome before the universe or anything else ever existed, then didnt his omniscience only give him knowledge of himself? What good is that? If this reasoning is valid, you can say that if you know about something, that something has to atleast exist. So if God has omniscience about the universe, then the universe and God would have to be co eternal so that God could atleast know about it. That also means that on some level matter as we know it would have to be co eternal as well. So essentially, god did not "create", he simply re arranged the matter supernaturally to get what we have now. What then is the point of this personal omniscient being? It seems to me that he is out of a job. If the universe and matter have to even exist in the first place for God to know about them, why do we need to even bring this god into the equation? We know that matter rearranges itself all the time, and we do have NATURALISTIC answers for the origin of stars, and from then on the rest of the chemicals that came from the supernovae explosions and such that then lead to new composition of other stellar bodies and essentially life.
Is it logically possible for something to come from nothing? If not, what exactly can omnipotence do when it has nothing to work upon? If nothing existed except for this being, what else is there for this omniscient being to know about except for himself?
Lets take for example, the god of the Bible. When you read the creation myth, you see that when it came to making the animals, he used natural matter in the process. For the marine animals, he used water, and for the land animals and Adam, he used the dirt from the ground. This is clearly the opposite of Creation Ex Nihilo, or Something coming from nothing. Theists, (especially idiots like Ray Comfort) constantly hound non believers about how they believe that everything came from nothing, but I fail to see how God creating everything from nothing is even more logical in anyway. We can see that god used NATURAL MATTER to create animals, so it calls into question, where did these natural materials come from? If god had to use water and dirt to make animals, what did he use to make water and whatever else other materials were there?
Now for omnipotence. The Theist may respond and say that god is immaterial and omnipotent so he can create matter as he sees fit. Lets consider this. If you had a million dollars but you were stuck on a remote island all alone with no way of contacting anything, are you really rich? No, the money is useless. You have to be able to spend it for it to have any value, it has to have relation with something so you can buy it. So lets consider omnipotence. If there is nothing around for you to use your power on, isnt it essentially useless? If so, then if God was just all by himself, meaning nothing else existed except for him, isnt his omnipotence rendered meaningless? If it is truly absurd and ridiculous that something can from nothing, why is it supernaturally happening an exception? Why should we not also mock them for thinking that something came from nothing, only God did it? Its just as absurb and it raises even more questions.
If God is all knowing, then surely he knows everything about the universe since he supposedly created it. So what about before he created the universe? What did he know about BEFORE anything else except for him existed? If you have knowledge about computers, then surely computers must exist, or you could not have any real knowledge about him. You can't really know about something that doesn't exist at all, and what would be the point in that anyway? When God was all by his lonesome before the universe or anything else ever existed, then didnt his omniscience only give him knowledge of himself? What good is that? If this reasoning is valid, you can say that if you know about something, that something has to atleast exist. So if God has omniscience about the universe, then the universe and God would have to be co eternal so that God could atleast know about it. That also means that on some level matter as we know it would have to be co eternal as well. So essentially, god did not "create", he simply re arranged the matter supernaturally to get what we have now. What then is the point of this personal omniscient being? It seems to me that he is out of a job. If the universe and matter have to even exist in the first place for God to know about them, why do we need to even bring this god into the equation? We know that matter rearranges itself all the time, and we do have NATURALISTIC answers for the origin of stars, and from then on the rest of the chemicals that came from the supernovae explosions and such that then lead to new composition of other stellar bodies and essentially life.
Is it logically possible for something to come from nothing? If not, what exactly can omnipotence do when it has nothing to work upon? If nothing existed except for this being, what else is there for this omniscient being to know about except for himself?