The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning it?

[theyounghistorian77]

Should this "rant" :? really be compared with this "news story" just for comparison's sake? Anyways i bring it to your attention, just for your amusement, as i got a laugh out of it anyways.

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Some really valuable information here guys:

America might lack England's established church or continental Europe's pervasive Catholicism, but it was founded by Christians along Christian principles with the express intention of building a more Christian commonwealth. It is, at risk of sounding pedantic, a Christian nation in all but its absence of national church.

:shock:


I knew newspapers with cool fonts on the title name were always trustworthy.

 

[theyounghistorian77]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Some really valuable information here guys:

America might lack England's established church or continental Europe's pervasive Catholicism, but it was founded by Christians along Christian principles with the express intention of building a more Christian commonwealth. It is, at risk of sounding pedantic, a Christian nation in all but its absence of national church.

:shock:


I knew newspapers with cool fonts on the title name were always trustworthy.

Yea i dont think his argument holds too much water either

 

[nemesiss]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

i can tell you what the answer is, without reading the articles: atheists ARE winning, chuck norris style, not charly sheen style.
the reason is that atheists are more open about themselves, theists will have more encounters with them, which means more conversations.
this whole war on christmas, which always seems to start at FAUX NEWS, is just silly and also theists start to see through the fake war and how non-sensicle it is.

 

[Gekidami]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Xmas has been been more about consumerism than spirituality/religion for ages now. If that means that atheists are "winning" then sure, but you can bet the corporate side of the holiday pre-dates any "Militant atheists" speaking out against its so-called Christian roots.

And anyway, i dont see what the problem is with turning an ancient holiday -one we can factually prove has nothing to do with any of to days religions besides them blatantly stealing the date- into a time for everyone to get together and have fun. The religious side just ruins it.

Stop ruining my Christmas, Jesus! You fucking Grinch!

 

[Nelipot]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I'm not interested in 'wars' between belief systems and this fact is not part of American history but still has relevance to it: paganism in Europe was suppressed (often brutally) by the Romans who were then subsumed by the rise of Xtianity despite Constantine's edict of religious freedom to all. As Xtianity has a history of persecution of others, it seems disingenuous for Xtians to complain when others resist intrusions into secular life. It disrespects freedom of thought.

 

[Nelipot]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rival-clerics-brawl-jesus-birthplace-130200368.html

 

[celavey]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I would say that being Christians will depend on how deep your relationship with God. It is not a religion, but a relationship to the Creator.

 

[australopithecus]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

By the definition of religion, it is a religion.

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I would say that being Christians will depend on how deep your relationship with God. It is not a religion, but a relationship to the Creator.

Welcome to the forums. Feel free to post your intro at the appropriate forum as well.

Now, as australopithecus has pointed out, by definition, Christianity is a religion. You can't escape that.

 

[Prolescum]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I would say that being Christians will depend on how deep your relationship with God. It is not a religion, but a relationship to the Creator.

Also welcome from me.

Presuming that a) you yourself are Christian and b) you meant that you're unaffiliated with a particular denomination, I'd like to ask: Do you consider those who are affiliated with a the major (or minor) churches to be non-Christians? If yes, may I ask why?

 

[celavey]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I do affiliated to a certain church and I do understand what you mean. Christian is indeed a religion according to most of us, but according to the holy book, it pertains to your relationship with the Lord and this is what I am pointing out..

 

[Demojen]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Where in the "holy" book does it state that Christianity is not a religion, rather that it is representative of your relationship to God?

Calling Christianity not a religion is like calling rape not sex or priests molesting little boys not homosexual in nature.

Remember to include quoted citations when providing resources to back up your claims, since you're stating another author meant it to say this. I'm way too used to people providing their own interpretation of "the word" to justify their own perversion of world views that are not original or unique.

If you didn't write the book, don't tell me what it means unless it states what it means, because that is blasphemy by the very edicts of that book.

Exodus 20:16: "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR."

 

[australopithecus]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I do affiliated to a certain church and I do understand what you mean. Christian is indeed a religion according to most of us, but according to the holy book, it pertains to your relationship with the Lord and this is what I am pointing out..

You're coming across slightly confused, you've posted twice and in that time you've said Christianity is and is not a religion? Which is it. I'd agree the bible pertains to relationships with God, but that is religious doctrine and faith. Still describes a religion.

 

[sgrunterundt]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

...but according to the holy book, it pertains to your relationship with the Lord and this is what I am pointing out..

Doesn't most of the other religions also pertain to your relationship with the god(s)?

 

[WarK]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Calling Christianity not a religion is like calling rape not sex or priests molesting little boys not homosexual in nature.

You're actually trying to say something with this? Why singling out boys? Girls are abused too. But that's not homosexuality then? Seriously. What's you're point and why do you have to use such a convoluted comparison that sounds like homophobia?

 

[Gnug215]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

I do affiliated to a certain church and I do understand what you mean. Christian is indeed a religion according to most of us, but according to the holy book, it pertains to your relationship with the Lord and this is what I am pointing out..

But how then do you define religion, and how is being a Christian not religious?

It often sounds like people saying this are just trying to distance themselves from a label - a label that you seemingly dislike?

 

[btguy]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

i think he is trying to separate the religion from the organized religion. any organized religion is going to become corporate in that it will seek to gain money and power and to do this they must get others to observe their practices whether believed or not regardless of the tenets of their religion. as for a war on Christmas... im an atheist and i observe Christmas... i enjoy spending time with my family and im certainly not going to tell my kids "you don't get a tree or presents because ..." and no i don't really want that to change. a holiday is a holiday.

on a different note, yes this country was founded mostly by Christians. Christians who were running away from the persecution of a church that would kill you if you did not believe and practice Christianity in their way. Christians who soon enough decided that forcing Christianity on the black 'heathens' was enough benefit to the heathens to justify enslaving them to do it. (of course it wasn't for the money or free labor lol) how is that for irony.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

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Calling Christianity not a religion is like calling rape not sex or priests molesting little boys not homosexual in nature.

Nooooo. Molesting little boys is pedophilia. Pedophilia and homosexuality are not synonyms.

"The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children, boys, girls, or children of both sexes. "
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Re: The War on Christmas is real, and atheists are winning i

Calling Christianity not a religion is like calling rape not sex or priests molesting little boys not homosexual in nature.

Nooooo. Molesting little boys is pedophilia. Pedophilia and homosexuality are not synonyms.

"The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children, boys, girls, or children of both sexes. "
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

I'd like to reiterate this and point out as well that what a true pedophiliac is looking for is the lack of sexual characteristics - hence children. If gender was important to them they wouldn't be pedophiles.