The Truth Behind 9/11

[Finger]

Seriously, is this site a gathering of fundamental fucking government agents?

Have you people read anything contrary to government agenda? Do you work for the government?

What are you credentials concerning 9/11 to be so sure of yourselves as to make jokes about it?

Do you know family members or first responders?

Do any of you actually live in the United States or New York?

Do you have any information related to 9/11 that in any way confirms the government story besides what the 9/11 committee and the joke that is popular mechanics published.

No

Yes... And I wish (I'd make more money than I do now.)

I'm a college dropout, so I have as much qualification as Dylan Avery.

Your right. I don't know any. That means that they never existed and are just part of the cover up!

What does it matter where any of us are from? The evidence speaks for itself and the "truth" movement simply doesn't have any.

You're certainly welcome to present your arguments against them. Just don't expect us to pretend like we haven't heard it all before.

Now please kindly:

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Picture is full of win.

 

[ThePuppyTurtle]

Bin Ladin is apparently Dead, All I can say is

 

[BrainBlow]

Bin Ladin is apparently Dead, All I can say is

 

[ranchodeluxe]

i have explored the possibility that 911 could have been an inside job and i have also explored the possibility that osama bin ladden has already been dead for 10 years but no one has ever been able to find any concrete evidence to support those claims.

 

[Laurens]

I think that 9/11 conspiracy theorists shoot themselves in the foot when they posit ridiculous claims about remote controlled planes and thermite.

Why not posit something more plausible such as the CIA funding Bin Laden's men during the conflict between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, and effectively creating the Al Qaeda that was capable of the 9/11 attacks. There is no evidence that this is the case of course, but it is a far more plausible position than the ridiculous fantasy-land 9/11 conspiracies that exist to date.

 

[Arcterus]

I think that 9/11 conspiracy theorists shoot themselves in the foot when they posit ridiculous claims about remote controlled planes and thermite.

Why not posit something more plausible such as the CIA funding Bin Laden's men during the conflict between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, and effectively creating the Al Qaeda that was capable of the 9/11 attacks. There is no evidence that this is the case of course, but it is a far more plausible position than the ridiculous fantasy-land 9/11 conspiracies that exist to date.

Some do. I know this because I used to be a 9/11 Truther and that was closer to where I leaned.

Of course, most are just superduperthermite/remote-control/voice-morphing/no-plane-at-Pentagon/plane-flew-over-the-Pentagon/plane-flew-around-the-Pentagon nutcases.

 

[Pennies for Thoughts]

Was an alleged World Trade Center even built? The government has never produced the Towers' birth certificate. After years of post-9/11 jaw-boning, Ground Zero remains as it always was: an empty lot. Sure, they'll throw up another hologram and do their F/X thing to whip people into thinking Arab crazies blew it up (Islam is a peaceful religion, as we know) to justify the next oil war; but speaking of behalf of everybody who posts in this thread, except Lrkun of course, we will not be fooled next time either. As the noted historian and philosopher Edward Current would say, "Checkmate, government fear mongers!"

(Lrkun, how can chalking up over 3700 of the most banal, off-topic, thread-killing, one-liner posts since June 23, 2010 -- a grueling pace of over 10 posts per day -- be considered "polite?")

 

[MRaverz]

Seriously, is this site a gathering of fundamental fucking government agents?

Lololololololololololol :lol:

 

[Arcterus]

Was an alleged World Trade Center even built? The government has never produced the Towers' birth certificate.

There's a no-people theory too. You've gotta wonder sometimes.

 

[Your Funny Uncle]

http://xkcd.com/966/ :lol:

 

[televator]

Ultimately, I think a large portion of this conspiracy stems from the commie "red scare" fear in the US.
More often than not, I find that the story is tied to the larger plot of the NWO...who are obviously communists that also have "sapping and impurifying our precious bodily fluids" on the agenda.

School children really ought to be taught about Occam's razor. Maybe we'd avoid propagating these large and elaborate fantasies. Whilst the 9-11 truther element seems to be more of a nuisance than anything, the broader fear of communist plots has more negative consequences in the US. Some place in Florida recently did away with the fluoridation process in their water and I don't think it needs to be said about what people in the tea bagger voting block think about any socialist frame works in any existing government program or proposed legislation.

The sad thing is that there are real problems to focus on, but this NWO/Red scare business ends up diverting very real efforts into "solving" problems that don't exist. Even worse is that instead of solving anything, it pulls society backwards. This all fits into this sort of "tilting at windmills" mindset that makes up most of what I now call the "regressive movement" in the US.

 

[Finger]

The interesting thing about conspiracy theories, especially the 9/11 conspiracy theory, is that even if they all agree on the narrative of what happened, the main devision will always be who's to blame. And that will always depend on the political biases of the individual. So yeah, there's the ultra-conservative, libertarian half that thinks the communists are trying to take over the world, but there's also the liberal half, who are only interested in demonizing Bush and "the corporations." I've run into more than a few examples of both.

A book I recommend is Among the Truthers by Jonathan Kay. While its main focus is the truth movement, it covers other conspiracy theories, exploring their historical and psychological ties. Very good if you're interested in that sort of thing.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

You've got to love that the 9-11 conspiracy nonsense is in some ways nonpartisan. :facepalm:

 

[Laurens]

I think Hitch has the right way of dealing with this bollocks

 

[Moky]

Do you know family members or first responders?

Hey, what's up? I'm in training to be a Basic EMT and I'm going to make this very clear...

Nurses, Paramedics, and EMTs have fucked up senses of humor compared to the general society. We have to have it, we have to laugh at what we go through, otherwise we wouldn't be able to cope with what we go through. Humor really does help a lot on the job and it really does help ease a lot of the stress surrounding the job. You can call it unacceptable and have issue with it, and I understand if you do, but please extend that understanding to us and understand that we have to have sick senses of humor relative to yours.

 

[Dean]

A video by an allegedly intelligent ubiquitous "truther" ...


Sigh.

I find it most insidious when people claim that the collapse of the towers was initiated by a thermite reaction.

As all of you will know, the energy of a thermite reaction comes from the oxidation of aluminium (FeO2). You can start an torridly hot fire that was made by combining Aluminium (Al) with Iron (Fe) - or virtually any other metal - dust, and create temperatures into the region of 1000+ ,°C, but even at that point, it is still nowhere near the energies required for a thermite reaction; either in speed, or temperature.

Every little piece of Aluminium you have ever seen will in fact be covered with a layer of Al2O3 (Aluminium Oxide) on it's surface. Any powdered aluminum you buy or make is going to be aluminum oxide as a function of grain size. To be sure even with the finest grain size available commercially the amount of metal compared to oxide is going to be very high - the oxide is practically monomolecular ( but there are loads of pits cracks and crevices in any metal surface) but for a thermite reaction to occur , it needs to get past that oxide layer ... meaning it has to expend energy that would otherwise be released in melting that grain (worse, the oxide binds to even the liquid metal so at the molecular level there is only limited access to the as yet unoxidized aluminum).

The aluminum for real thermite would need to be prepared - ground - in a dry nitrogen atmosphere or under an anhydrous oil bath and kept away from moisture, oxygen or practically anything made with or from an oxidizing agent. (The energy of the aluminum "hunger" for valence electrons is such that it will rip apart ordinary oxides and oxidized chemicals to itself oxidize - that's what's happening in the thermite reaction!)

One consequence of this is that while random mixtures of aluminum and iron dust are dangerous enough (keep your tailings separate it you do machine work!) they're really pretty difficult to get burning together (but if you do it will be hot enough that *everything* nearby is going to burn, and water will not put it out) but a real thermite mixture is going to be dangerously unstable. Conceivably; just being exposed to damp air could set it off. Backyard/kitchen-table "thermite" is pretty easy, and far hotter than pretty much any ordinary fire you're going to make otherwise, and yes it will melt - impressively - most forms of steel. The real deal is much harder, hotter, and more dangerous; and it's not explosive in itself but creates heat so hot that a great many things will vapor flash explosively at those temperatures, hence the confusion that some who've seen it consider it (wrongly) an explosive, such as this woman. :roll:

 

[DepricatedZero]

holy fucknuckers I forgot about this thread :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So I'll start with this apparently genuine credulous truther

Seriously, is this site a gathering of fundamental fucking government agents?

Have you people read anything contrary to government agenda? Do you work for the government?

What are you credentials concerning 9/11 to be so sure of yourselves as to make jokes about it?

Do you know family members or first responders?

Do any of you actually live in the United States or New York?

Do you have any information related to 9/11 that in any way confirms the government story besides what the 9/11 committee and the joke that is popular mechanics published.

No.

Yes. Contractor, technically.

I have two brain cells to rub together, how bout you?

I am a family member, and work daily with many first responders and survivors.

Yes, no.

What's the "government story?" And why would I get my news from Popular Mechanic? Am I missing some great insightful magazine?

Clearly, the existence of the comedy show "Arrested Development" is an example of "hiding in plain sight", and the so-called person "Will Arnett" is a cover identity for the international terrorist George Oscar Bluth! Don't listen to those experts from Popular Mechanics or TV Guide!

I knew it

If being polite is smug and condescending, then I plead guilty. :lol:

If my effort in being polite to the person who asked a question by my apology is smug and condescending, then I plead guilty.

The smug and condescending part is in thinking you have the right to speak on my behalf and apologize for my actions. You have to marry me for that right, and I don't think we'd get along so swell.

Why not posit something more plausible such as the CIA funding Bin Laden's men during the conflict between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, and effectively creating the Al Qaeda that was capable of the 9/11 attacks. There is no evidence that this is the case of course, but it is a far more plausible position than the ridiculous fantasy-land 9/11 conspiracies that exist to date.

I could see that, at least.

(Lrkun, how can chalking up over 3700 of the most banal, off-topic, thread-killing, one-liner posts since June 23, 2010 -- a grueling pace of over 10 posts per day -- be considered "polite?")

Your whole post made me laugh but especially this

I think Hitch has the right way of dealing with this bollocks

Dude that's David Cross!