The Supernatural Non-Temporal Uncreated Creator

[Parture]

The Supernatural Uncreated Non-Temporal Creator

Since nature has been proven to always have a cause by the overwhelming number of cause and effects (no hard evidence to the contrary), this necessarily leads to an infinite regress, but you would have happened already having an eternity to do so, so therefore, there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Pure logic! Since nature can't always have existed, that which is outside of nature (time, space and matter) necessarily must exist that non-temporally and supernaturally (not naturally) brings the universe into being. This timeless and spaceless uncaused cause is our uncreated Creator. This is whom we call God. And there could not be an infinite regress supernaturally because we would have happened already, so we are still faced with being accountable to our sole uncreated Creator. Some people don't like being accountable but it is unavoidable.

So the question then becomes who is God? Many can claim to be God or make claims about who God is, but unless they have some evidence they need not be considered. You can also forget about any claims where God is not intelligent, personal and accessible, for how can God's standards be lower than our own? You can also throw out any claims where sin is not effectively addressed. And don't contradict yourself by holding out claiming you would have to know all things to know if God exists, because that requires you to be God for only God could be all-knowing. So drop that self-exalted position, pretension and fake humility of always holding out that somehow eventually something could disprove God.

Only does Jesus prove He is God. After saying He is God and predicting His death and resurrection, the original disciples testified to having seen Him alive from the dead in various group settings. Since all naturalistic explanations are impossible, then no naturalistic explanation can account for their testimony. Hence, Jesus rose from the dead proving His deity as the uncreated Creator, that He died on the cross for the sins of the world and salvation is only through Him. Anything less than God Himself could not suffice. So unless you are willing to come to the cross as a helpless sinner you surely will go to Hell.

http://biblocality.com/forums/forum.php

 

[Logic-Nanaki]

i will answer in a for of a picture....

saying hello to christianity from norway

besides..our earlier belief was way cooler..i mean. look at that helmet there. real tough guy... grrrr

 

[Story]

I don't see what problem you have with eternal regress. If there was one, there would still be a now, which we would be in.

Furthermore, there are several physical laws that are seen as uncaused causes, which dismantles your entire rant.

Also "how can God's standards be lower than our own?", unless you agree with the genocide of the bible, your standards would certainly be much higher that that particular god.

I don't know if the disciples of Jesus really did testify to what happened, none of the books are certainly written by them and the people that did write it could have been atheist fraudsters like some of the evangelicals of modern times.

Lastly Muhammed also proved he was a messenger from god. He split the moon and this was testified by his companions and even by a king in India later on, he also produced miracles throughout his time that have been written and passed down through generations and generations. The Qur'an is also a miracle, the last miracle on earth which testifies to the existence of Allah.

Furthermore Mithras, Osiris and Buddha also proved they were god... or something.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

This is so stupid I don't even know if... well, yeah. Give me a minute or three and I'll see if I can invent new snark to counter the same old religious stupidity.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Poe anyone?

 

[godisabullet]

The Supernatural Uncreated Non-Temporal Creator

Since nature has been proven to always have a cause ..... blah blah blah

Only does Jesus prove He is God..... blah blah blah...
http://biblocality.com/forums/forum.php

The Bible is the inerrant word of god because it says so in the Bible.

:shock: :?

 

[Aught3]

Poe anyone?

I been to biblocality before, that's a lot of work for someone who is not being serious. Plus these are the standard arguments.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Poe anyone?

You can only hope.

 

[monitoradiation]

Poe anyone?

I wish he were.

This is him on The Atheist Experience.



I'll leave it to the rest of you giants to dismantle him.

Edit:

BTW Parture, it isn't complicated. You're presenting a false dichotomy. A true dichotomy is both exhaustive and exclusive. In your dichotomy, it's neither.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

I been to biblocality before, that's a lot of work for someone who is not being serious. Plus these are the standard arguments.

I thought because of how standard his arguments were it would have been someone acting in Poe. However, after I posted my comment I clicked on his profile. He has many videos and seems sincere in them. He looks to be another Japhia888.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

I wish he were.

This is him on The Atheist Experience.

:facepalm:
He is not like Japhia888; he is more like a nice shockofgod.

 

[DeusExNihilum]

Muhammed also proved he was a messenger from god. He split the moon.

I know this is offtopic but this reminded me of a recurring thought I've been having; "miracles" have seen a significant decline over the last thousand years.

Back in the day God would whip up Pillars of Fire, Split Moons in half and Part sea's for the sake of convenience! Truly outstanding spectacles.

What "Miracles" does our modern day have?

Out of 400 people in a terrible plane crash, ONE SURVIVED.

Woman goes to Lourdes with a cough, THEN THE COUGH GOES AWAY.

Someone made a grilled cheese sandwhich, MARY MAGDALENE'S FACE APPEARS...OR AT LEAST A WOMANS FACE DOES.

A plant displays a squiggle pattern, IT MUST BE A PHRASE FROM THE QUR'AN


I want a Pillar of F*cking fire, please.

 

[Fictionarious]

True and humorous observations about the quality of miracles over time

Well said.
To respond to OP, there have been many theists before and aside you who have attempted to hijack the infinite regress paradox in service of their delusion, but the refutation, in the abstract, is as simple as two questions.

Has everything that has ever existed had a cause that brought it into existence? (Yes or No)
Does God exist? (Yes or No)

If you answer yes to the first question and yes to the second, the conclusion derivable from these premises is:

Therefore, God had a cause that brought him/her into existence.

This conclusion is analytically self-contradicting when "uncaused" is part of the definition of God (as it so often is), so your only option is to explain how God is exempt from the "everything that exists" class mentioned in the first premise/question, without resorting to appeals to the Bible or other bald-faced revelations not wearing the mask of metaphysical philosophy.

 

[monitoradiation]

I actually half-expected him to come back to respond to the comments, though I suspected that he will be smug, condescending, and totally dismissive of logical arguments refuting his tired canard. I was looking forward to some good chuckles.

Too bad he's probably only fishing for more hits on his site. Sigh.

 

[Story]

Muhammed also proved he was a messenger from god. He split the moon.

I know this is offtopic but this reminded me of a recurring thought I've been having; "miracles" have seen a significant decline over the last thousand years.

Back in the day God would whip up Pillars of Fire, Split Moons in half and Part sea's for the sake of convenience! Truly outstanding spectacles.

What "Miracles" does our modern day have?

Out of 400 people in a terrible plane crash, ONE SURVIVED.

Woman goes to Lourdes with a cough, THEN THE COUGH GOES AWAY.

Someone made a grilled cheese sandwhich, MARY MAGDALENE'S FACE APPEARS...OR AT LEAST A WOMANS FACE DOES.

A plant displays a squiggle pattern, IT MUST BE A PHRASE FROM THE QUR'AN


I want a Pillar of F*cking fire, please.

Well there's only one thing that explains this:

Laziness.

C'mon if you were an omnipotent god and you kept using your special powers "PILLAR OF FIRE!", "MOON MAGIC", "SEA MAGIC", "HADOKEN!" (What was said before Sodom and Gomora were destroyed), eventually you'd get fed up and much more introspective and artsy... "Hmmmm... let my draw a face in a toast and see who notices", "Let me write stuff, like on everything and see who notices" and "Awww... she has a cough" *cures cough* Meanwhile, elsewhere *African dies of AIDS".

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

you would have happened already having an eternity to do so, so therefore, there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Pure logic!

Pure nonsense!
Prove it, though I think it will be difficult for you since all you did was copypaste your post from the header of the biblocality.com blog.

 

[Light]

That's right up there with 'Faith: The bullets are real, your god is not.'

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Ooh, I love these. Let me see how long it takes to spot something untrue...

The Supernatural Uncreated Non-Temporal Creator

Since nature has been proven to always have a cause

Let me stop you right there. Look up radioactive decay.

 

[Shaedys]

You know, I don't really need a pillar of fire or a burning bush
But if he could part the oceans and we could make a transatlantic highway, that would be nice.

 

[lrkun]

The Supernatural Uncreated Non-Temporal Creator

Since nature has been proven to always have a cause by the overwhelming number of cause and effects (no hard evidence to the contrary), this necessarily leads to an infinite regress, but you would have happened already having an eternity to do so, so therefore, there cannot be an eternity of the past of cause and effects. Pure logic! Since nature can't always have existed, that which is outside of nature (time, space and matter) necessarily must exist that non-temporally and supernaturally (not naturally) brings the universe into being. This timeless and spaceless uncaused cause is our uncreated Creator. This is whom we call God. And there could not be an infinite regress supernaturally because we would have happened already, so we are still faced with being accountable to our sole uncreated Creator. Some people don't like being accountable but it is unavoidable.

So the question then becomes who is God? Many can claim to be God or make claims about who God is, but unless they have some evidence they need not be considered. You can also forget about any claims where God is not intelligent, personal and accessible, for how can God's standards be lower than our own? You can also throw out any claims where sin is not effectively addressed. And don't contradict yourself by holding out claiming you would have to know all things to know if God exists, because that requires you to be God for only God could be all-knowing. So drop that self-exalted position, pretension and fake humility of always holding out that somehow eventually something could disprove God.

Only does Jesus prove He is God. After saying He is God and predicting His death and resurrection, the original disciples testified to having seen Him alive from the dead in various group settings. Since all naturalistic explanations are impossible, then no naturalistic explanation can account for their testimony. Hence, Jesus rose from the dead proving His deity as the uncreated Creator, that He died on the cross for the sins of the world and salvation is only through Him. Anything less than God Himself could not suffice. So unless you are willing to come to the cross as a helpless sinner you surely will go to Hell.

http://biblocality.com/forums/forum.php

Your god, Jesus, is dead.