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Prolescum said:I think I'm an acerbic-anti-anti-theistic-atheistic-anarchistic-anachronistic infundibulum of joy.
Dean said:I could have posted it in the Atheism sub-forum, but I think that something as (apparently ;-) ) philosophical as this, warrants a discussion of it here. This is my re-revised taxonomy of atheism, I have posted it before, in other forums:
THE SCOPE OF ATHEISM
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Your view seems remarkably clear, are you using the night-vision goggles of scepticism?televator said:I too don't see many of these as mutually exclusive nor all as a requirement to be an atheist. Many of these can be singular atheistic conclusions and reasons to be an atheist. So while someone can come to be an atheist as a result of one of these conclusions, many of the rest certainly can follow as a result of time and thought.
Welshidiot said:Your view seems remarkably clear, are you using the night-vision goggles of scepticism?
Prolescum said:Bahahahahahahahahaha! Proximity breeds contempt. Westerners crack me up.
Indeed, it is not a requirement of adherents to the doctrines of Buddhism to believe in any gods, at least not personal ones. It all depends, really. I don't actually agree with the idea that the tenets of Buddhism are inherently naturalistic. The original doctrines and traditional values of Buddhism are nevertheless replete with supernatural beings and entities. Although, apparently there is in fact a branch of old East Asian philosophy called "Buddhist Materialism". I don't even like how Buddhism is primarily articulated in the West as something of a quest for happiness, when the equivalent term is traditionally more akin to "bliss" or "contentment" that I interpret as "sublimation", threatening to fall into the same Western trap of hedonism in its publicised and popularised understandings. You can't separate or distil happiness from other corresponding sensations and moods. It's an experiential amalgam that we artificially reduce to and with an imposed mesh or net of categories. Things exist to discharge their natures with all its attendant affects: the crux of will to power.Yfelsung said:Prolescum said:[. . .]one could argue that Buddhism is somewhat atheistic.
Yfelsung said:I've also studied world religion and the Hindus and Buddhists just don't really do much. They just kind of hang out and do their thing.
Prolescum said:Yfelsung said:I've also studied world religion and the Hindus and Buddhists just don't really do much. They just kind of hang out and do their thing.
Yeah, those insignificant Hindus and their blowing up Sikhs. Or the irrelevant Sikhs blowing up the Hindus. Safer to pick on the ones everyone else picks on. Safety in numbers, right?
Also, the Bahà¡'à are (mostly abrahamic) monotheists. You have anything against them?
Yfelsung said:My point still stands on Buddhism though.
And I am unfamiliar with the Bahai.
Most world religion courses basically cover the 5 big ones, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Buddhism.
And to a certain degree, you're right, familiarity breeds contempt. Buddhists and Hindus never slaughtered my ancestors for not believing in what they do, Christians and Muslims did.
As I said, I don't know anything about them. If one of the Abrahamic faiths managed to not be completely horrific to others I'd be pleasantly surprised.Prolescum said:But they're Abrahamic... You should be anti- them by default, non?
I generally go by the rule that "If you think the Bible/Koran/Torah is a good book to live your life by, you're probably seriously disturbed". Some act more on their disturbance than others.Perhaps in Canada... So do Anglicans receive as much ire as the Baptists and the Sufi as much as the Wahabbi?
One presumes that, being Canadian and having the username you do, it's quite likely that your ancestors were also of the same ilk.
Yfelsung said:As I said, I don't know anything about them. If one of the Abrahamic faiths managed to not be completely horrific to others I'd be pleasantly surprised.Prolescum said:But they're Abrahamic... You should be anti- them by default, non?
I generally go by the rule that "If you think the Bible/Koran/Torah is a good book to live your life by, you're probably seriously disturbed". Some act more on their disturbance than others.Perhaps in Canada... So do Anglicans receive as much ire as the Baptists and the Sufi as much as the Wahabbi?
One presumes that, being Canadian and having the username you do, it's quite likely that your ancestors were also of the same ilk.
My ancestors never killed for religious reasons until they became Christians.
They killed for gold, land, kicks and a whole lot of other reasons, but never for religion.
I have no problem with people doing horrible things, I have a problem with people doing horrific things under the cover of righteousness.
I mean, hell, I'm Saxon, I'd be a hypocrite if I got down any anyone who ever did anything bad as my ancestors liked to combine migration, conquest and genocide into a delightful party.
If you're going to be a dick, do it with a smile on your face and your head held high. Not because "God" told you to.
Yfelsung said:You can mock me all you want dude.
And I don't know if I'm anti Bahai or whatever they are because I have no idea what their beliefs entail or what they've done in history.
So far I have been anti-abrahamic because I've never met an abrahamic religion that wasn't deeply disturbed, if there's one that managed to pull off not being insane then I guess I may change my stance to being "anti abrahamic except for these dudes." If they follow the bible though, they're most likely deeply fucked up.
And my ancestors are primarily Saxon with a little Celtic mixed in for good measure.
All warlike people, none of them ever recorded to have engaged in religious war until they were converted.
Germanic pagans were actually known to specifically not spread their religion because their gods were considered personal to the Germanic people and not to be shared.