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The Fate of a lost messiah

atheistmind82

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All of us have been always hounded by missionaries and fudies that Jesus is the Savior and such preaching. Well I have a theory I discussed in a letter to a new friend living in the U.K about what really happened during perion of time of Christ's life not discussed in the four gospels that were published in the cannon we have today, maybe collecting dust on a shelf or the one we study to better debate the Christains who want to challedng our non-deist beliefes and values.

I here I go, we all know if we studied Christ's lineage he was a decendent of king David, whose people, according to some historians settled modern day Briton. Well I believe in the gnostic gospels were Jesus had a child and was married. Now this next part is my own theory, and may have no present archeological evidence, as well as the rest of my theory, but it is theory. I believe Jesus survived the crucifiction and fled the holy land to some were in Europe, possible modern the modern U.K, this will come to light as you read on.
In my personal theory, during the time of Christ's lifetime, not covered in the four gospels ( Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), Jesus took instuction from the druids, who had mastered the ability to perform the type of miracles he performed. I believe most of that stuff can be achieved through a line of physics, which knowledge of obtaining these skills are now long lost. Also look at the number of people he traveled in. Twelve disciples and himself, that makes thirteen, a very important number in druid culture.

Also the fact Jesus' remains wre never found can be an explanation to say he may have survived the crucifiction, and fled to the land of the druids, the people that instructed him. Also his deity was not declared officialy until the council of niece in the third century. The reason the newly formed Roman Catholic Church chose him of all the prominent sprictual leaders of the previous several hundred years, was his popularity and he would be the best to exploitate for controlling Humanity.

As for the reason the decendent of king David may have migrated to the modern U.K is after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple at the hands of the Romans, was probly some of the insiders still knew were the revolutionary rabbi had fled, and they were hoping he could still be alive. Who know the may have been thinking that Jesus and his family had settled, Christ was really seeking an earthly kingdom, like king of Israel, and would help them retake the Holy Land, and His decendents would retake the nation of Israel and rebuild Jerusalem and the temple. On last Thought this could be anther thery on the origions of the Priory of Sion, and their military, The Knights Templar, who some say had ulterior motives of their own in their role of the Crusades. Also there had to be a reason they had a good enough form of blackmail to scare the Catholic Church enough to give them unlimited power, until one of the Ponitiffs, I cant think of his name or date, I know it was in the 1300's had the knights templar and the priory all but exterminated , declaring they were heritics and devil worshiper's.

If anyone can think of that Popes name and the exact date pivate message me, the information would be greatly appreciated. Remember tis is just a theor on spirituality, Christianity and it's true history.
 
arg-fallbackName="irmerk"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Interesting theory, and you should read Lamb. I guess I am making a leap here, since I do not know where you are exactly going with this, but your theory is as good as anyone's. It is as good as George Bush's and one I can make up right now: He was just a normal guy with down syndrome, and some storyteller saw him playing with himself and made some fantasy that we now know as the Bible. Anyway, the theory in either or any case would have to be proven. I think I have heard mixed results on whether or not a man named Jesus actually existed (Or was it Joshua?), but the fact that he was a decedent of king David would have to be proven just as much as the Bible's story of him not being a decedent of David since he is of heavenly origins. All of it is just a fucking story with no backing.

Anyway, where were you going with this? Just wanting to share the theory? Interesting story? I got carried away...
 
arg-fallbackName="Aught3"/>
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Of course to be the actual messiah he was supposed to have been born in Bethlehem - Jesus of Nazarath is well known for having been born in Nazarath. The story is so utterly faked their is not reason to believe it. Plus, you're idea sounds a lot like The Da Vinci Code :roll:
 
arg-fallbackName="atheistmind82"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Remember this is theory, it probly is all wrong, but some thoughts. I will do some research on the exsistance of Jesus. Some say Josephus wrote of him. I currently own all of Josephus' complete known works. I will spend the next several month's doing resarch. I am no fundie, maybe Jesus did exsist, but the Church exploitated his true life beyond fact for reasons to controll the masses. Also if there was no such figure or person that existed I do not think Christianity would of spawned into a major world religion, but another theory I am crunching in my mind is the idea of Jesus was based on several humanitarians and prominant Rabbis of the first several centuries before and during the origions of Christianity.
 
arg-fallbackName="desertedcities"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

I'm not going to lie, I lol'd, hard.

I have another, more simplistic, theory.

This Jesus fellow existed, whether or not his name is Jesus, he still existed. Though, he was not the only person preaching what Jesus preached. He was just one of many, or perhaps the most influential, which is why the Romans saw him as a threat to their rule and crucified him. Then after a few days, someone that could pull off looking like the guy showed up and claimed to be the resurrection of Jesus. Thus, the resurrection story. But this guy couldn't pull off the win that Jesus brought to his gatherings so he faded into obscurity.

From then on, the apostles told the story, orally, and sixty to a hundred years after the death of Jesus, someone said, "We have to write this shit down." So they did, but being sixty to a hundred years later, stuff was lost in translation, and lost in transit (ex. try getting a line of a a hundred people to say the same phrase from one end to the other, 'longest hour of my life' turns into, 'I'm running away with your wife'). So when they wrote this stuff down, they had to make shit up, miracles, events, the like. We only know the first hour of his life and the last three years of his life according to the Bible, so we don't know much, and neither did they, they didn't even have a book chronicling what someone thought his life was like.

So they borrowed (from other sources, like in the rest of the Old and New Testaments), most notably in Jesus' case: the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Mainly because it sounded like a really good, and quite believable, story (after sixty to a hundred years). Also, I don't believe that this Jesus fellow ever professed his own divinity, or divine origins. That was something the storytellers and writers added to make him look a lot better than just a Gandhi-type guy living in the relative desert that is Israel. They also added the miracles and every other supposedly divine thing he did to make him a lot bigger than he really was. Also, they made the prophecies in the Hebrew bible fit Jesus quite well so he would appear to be the Messiah.

To me, that makes the most sense. No bullshit, just history (as I know, and think happened).
 
arg-fallbackName="diagoras54"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Aught3 said:
Of course to be the actual messiah he was supposed to have been born in Bethlehem - Jesus of Nazarath is well known for having been born in Nazarath. The story is so utterly faked their is not reason to believe it. Plus, you're idea sounds a lot like The Da Vinci Code :roll:
There's a Bethlehem in Galilee, and it's possible the two were confused, or intentionally switched, to validate the prophecies about the messiah being born in the city of David. Either way, the biblical story is, at best, questionable.
 
arg-fallbackName="atheistmind82"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Even though I am not a fundie, archeology has as least proved some of the places in the bible exsisted. Anyway I am thinking on deleteing this post and redoing it when my theories can be backed up by reliable secular proof and fact.
 
arg-fallbackName="Ozymandyus"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Sure some of the places in the bible existed. And in the Odyssey most of the things that happened were in real places or mentioned real events - but that doesn't mean that there were sea gods, witches that could turn men into pigs, magical leather bags with winds hidden inside them, one eyed giants... etc etc. And making up other stuff like you did above based on no factual evidence at all is just LUDICROUS. I mean, seriously insane. The fact that Some of the Odyssey's mythology is set in real places makes none of this more true. If you believe it provides proof for some of this stuff - you have serious problems.

As for King David's descendants... there are undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of them. You could be one, but it doesn't make you any more special than the millions of people who are related in some way to other famous historical figures. As for your 'theory',,, please call it what it is: not a theory, strictly childish story-telling and make believe.

Sorry if I'm harsh here, must be bedtime.
 
arg-fallbackName="atheistmind82"/>
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I know that this story is ridiculous. When I was in college I was going to try and eventualy get a doctorate in english and write fiction. I just wanted to put a twist on christ using da vinci code. If there is a way I can delete this post I will or I will try and talk the administrator in doing it. Like I said my next one will be more factual. I just like using my imagination, it is the best things I have to take my mind off the anxiety I have been going through. Sorry if I made myself sound like a fundie or an idiot. I just wanted to use some creativity on put a twist on christianity. Also like Dawkins says, when a scientist is wrong or disproved by another scientist he should be humble and rejoice even though he himself was proven wrong, at least science was still advanced. I guess that goes for all free thinkers and atheists. So now I will humble my self and say I was pretty much wrong for wasting valuable time posting stuff like this, and be more careful in the future. Thank you to all those who gave me the constructive criticism, and I am humbled.
Peace and thanks again to every one, regards,
J.
 
arg-fallbackName="Ozymandyus"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

Oh no worries man, don't have to get it deleted. Sorry if we came down a little hard on you - its a fun story and what not... you just shouldn't present it as if it was a possible truth about life in a forum dedicated to reason.
 
arg-fallbackName="atheistmind82"/>
Re: A theory on the life and fate of Jesus Christ

I left Christianity just only a year ago, I guess it is like what some would say when a guy breaks up with a girlfriend. Even though the relationship ended on bitter terms or was just bad all together , there is still some issues with old memories. Even though my time as a fundie was a living hell, I still remembered the christains that were still actually decent people, and they still are very kind to me even though I no longer believe. As ridiculous as my former faith was, I still supprisingly I have my good memories that I will remember for life. Like the mormon family who would put my needs ahead of theirs, like when I had an anxiety attack, or having a brochitus attack. They would come give me a ride home from the emergency room, even the second oldest son Ross, even when he was a still in high school and he had class that day, he would get out of bed at 2am to help me when I needed it. Even though I believe Christianity is ridiculous, it was the special people that did not let their bronze age beliefes stand in the way of being people that I will always have fond memories for the rest of my life. I think Ross was gay. If he was out of the closet I would ask him out in a minute, he not only had physical beauty and an awesome smile, with beautiful hazel eyes, it was his compassion and the dignity he felt for others that made me, yes have a big crush on him. He is 22 now. I hope you know what I mean, I still have all that knowledge in my head, hundreds of hours of study, from when I was a fundie. Now I want to use that knowledge to advance reason, I may totally suck at it now, but give me time. I may come back to making youtube videos when I am no longer on dial up, and have broadband, and use this knowledge to put fundies in their place, use their own scripture to debate them, and show them how it is contradictive and does not apply to the real world.
Peace and regards
J.
 
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