The extent of gain, the supposed gain.

[konstantine]

Recently on LOR chat, I was involved in a rather long debate about generalizing. Names at this point aren't important but I wanted to basically ask as to the direction of what LOR actually thought about it. Given that this person was dramatized quite a bit by a group of people of different beleifs, they were beaten and hospitalized for three months. Though the story was sad to hear, I had to object to a premise the user had made. Though the actual post is unavailible to my knowledge it involved a certain opinion for the entirity of people who were to this point considered to share the same beleifs. Is this grounds to define an entire group? Or atleast generalize behavior about these people? I for one said no, that a personal situation is not enough to criminalize everyone who "supposedly" believed the same things.

Also I wanted to know another thing. When watching a video do you consider yourself to be nodding your head before it starts, and shaking your head when a theist video starts? I find the company of certain atheists to be quite dogmatic sometimes in that in a debate, they would like to think their side as right beyond evidence or premise that would say otherwise. Though christians are just as guilty, it seems like LOR should be a place where each video is evaluated and given credit where it is due. I myself was brought out of my dogmatic shell by simply considering either side could be true. Being that no one actually knows who is right (athiesm vs theism) wouldn't taking each video to be possibly true be the only way to avoid sophistry?

Thank you,

Konstantine

 

[konstantine]

I've asked Dora to post the chat Log.

Thank you

 

[AdmiralPeacock]

Given that this person was dramatized quite a bit by a group of people of different beleifs, they were beaten and hospitalized for three months. Though the story was sad to hear, I had to object to a premise the user had made. Though the actual post is unavailible to my knowledge it involved a certain opinion for the entirity of people who were to this point considered to share the same beleifs. Is this grounds to define an entire group? Or atleast generalize behavior about these people? I for one said no, that a personal situation is not enough to criminalize everyone who "supposedly" believed the same things.

That depends, if the Individual A> was brutalized by Individuals B> who are Members of Group C> for dogmas, doctrines or commonly held beliefs held/found in Group C> then of cause Group C> can be judged by the actions of Individuals B>.

Also I wanted to know another thing. When watching a video do you consider yourself to be nodding your head before it starts, and shaking your head when a theist video starts?

Ummm no.

 

[SpaceCDT]

I myself was brought out of my dogmatic shell by simply considering either side could be true. Being that no one actually knows who is right (athiesm vs theism) wouldn't taking each video to be possibly true be the only way to avoid sophistry?

I'm going to go make a video right now about the giant purple (yet invisible) ass in the sky, will you also consider that to be "possibly true" ?

 

[konstantine]

I myself was brought out of my dogmatic shell by simply considering either side could be true. Being that no one actually knows who is right (athiesm vs theism) wouldn't taking each video to be possibly true be the only way to avoid sophistry?

I'm going to go make a video right now about the giant purple (yet invisible) ass in the sky, will you also consider that to be "possibly true" ?

If someone were to tell me that there was no God 5 years ago I would have had a similar sarcastic reaction. Go make your video, but what are you helping, you actually know you just made that up. Is it possible? why not? Are you dismissing something because you know everything? Maybe you should make a vid about why string theory is right. A theory that is deemed more a philosophical than scientific (The elegant universe: NOVA). Perhaps you want to troll and make a campaign about this new found diety. I can't prove you wrong necessarily, but if it isn't true and you know it, its sophistry.

Now will I take your vid serious? No, but that's my choice, but if you honestly thought you were trying to help do the right thing, I might honestly watch your vid because I would rather know truth than to see my pride be the end of me. That was my point. If there were truth behind the vids that theists make the only way to note it, is to watch them or hear them out for the matter. Surely we can all agree that theists make some good arguments, even if they end in opinion. Its not supposed to be black and white.

Thank you

konstantine

 

[SpaceCDT]

If someone were to tell me that there was no God 5 years ago I would have had a similar sarcastic reaction.

It's not a sarcastic reaction, it's a good point that you seem to have missed.

Perhaps you want to troll and make a campaign about this new found diety. I can't prove you wrong necessarily, but if it isn't true and you know it, its sophistry.

Now will I take your vid serious? No, but that's my choice, but if you honestly thought you were trying to help do the right thing, I might honestly watch your vid because I would rather know truth than to see my pride be the end of me. That was my point.
konstantine

My point is that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You, with good logic, reject my giant purple ass, and I, also with good logic, dismiss Theism.

If there were truth behind the vids that theists make the only way to note it, is to watch them or hear them out for the matter. Surely we can all agree that theists make some good arguments, even if they end in opinion. Its not supposed to be black and white.

I've never seen any good arguments for Theism, let alone any verifiable evidence, so it is very black and white.

 

[Dora]

I've asked Dora to post the chat Log.

Thank you

ok here it is, I'm not sure if I can fit it all in one post and to avoid high-jacking the tread here are the 2 hours where I think you think the discussion started and stopped
IMO we moved away about the "don't generalise about christians" as soon as the Abortion is murder discussion started but just in case you believe otherwise

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[Dora]

hit the 60000 charakters cap

here is the rest :

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