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The ethics of pets

arg-fallbackName="Lallapalalable"/>
Damn, theres so much to go through in this topic. Ill try to stick to only a few points.

I dont like pet stores, they're too depressing. I grew up with my parents breeding birds, so I know exactly how emotionally dependent they can be, and every time I go into a pet store (happens), I make a point to at least interact with the birds. I did used to like looking at the puppies, but since I got my first dog a few years ago I just dont see it the same way anymore. I usually walk out of the place on the borderline of depressed and pissed.

And you are more than likely right in saying that people would probably lose interest after a short while, putting the bird in either a state of neglect at the home or rejection by returning them to the store. I do believe that birds make great pets, so long as you are concious of, and willing to undergo what it takes to raise them well. Also, breeding the birds for wholesale (that just sounds horrible) reduces the chances of returned or neglected birds. My parents were in a bird-afficionado club, and they only sold the birds they bred to people within the club they either knew were into birds and would give the animal a decent home, or to other breeders (who treat the birds damn well).

But anyway, thats just on birds and pet stores. Petship in general is a great, symbiotic relationship. We provide the animal with shelter, food, and affection, and they give us whatever it was we were looking for in that type of animal right back. Sure, its basically slavery, but its not as if the animal would be better off out of our charge; correct me if Im wrong, but dont animals in captivity tend to live longer and weigh more than their wild counterparts?

I realize there are negative aspects to petship, but I dont trust myself to argue them fairly as I am very pro-pet.
 
arg-fallbackName="Andiferous"/>
I agree with you in some sense, and I was in a parrot club as well (why I ended up adopting rescues. ;))

Most animals in captivity do end up living longer than their wild counterparts (as I understand) - particularly due to diet (and moreso if they are on nutritious diets). But I suppose given this, one could compare quality of life to length. Some animals do very well as complanions, but some tend to tax the average person's time and patience, a situation which tends to often end in neglect. Given the number of animals of some species that suffer by comparison, I'd be inclined to prohibit taking them as pets (or at least until humans grow up. :( ).
 
arg-fallbackName="Don-Sama"/>
now why have i heard so little about dogs? first an awww moment.

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/705331/9d57a88a/hond_extreem_overdreven_blij.html

grown have up with cats, dogs, couple of cows, couple of goats, couple of cows, a horse, a turkey, a chicken a... ehmm. i'm sure there was more but I might have been to small for that.

pets are awesome, naturally some species require some more attention then others, and some aren't suitable at all for captivity. What I have seen in my own experience is that most of the pets don't necessaries require that much attention and might be better off if they were to be let free a bit. Which probably is a big problem for people that want pets because they would mainly live in suburban area's in which the pets would require some special attention.
In the end it all depends on how well someone can emotionally attach to animals and humans, how nice of a person he or she is. I mean the type of people that would feed a baby not because it will finally stop crying if she does, but because the baby actually needs it, and she wants the best for the baby. The smarter an animal is, and the more it looks like a human (the closer to a human being) the easier it usually gets to attach (muslims on the other hand are learned that keeping pets is horrible and dirty and just despicable because some book tells them so grrr..but this probably counts for lots of cultures) In the end a pet no longer is a pet but a family member. and it's bloody painfull to see them go..

oh rabbits! offcourse, We had two, then after some time 1 died, then after some more time the one that was left escaped. funny thing she never left our lap of land, the rabbit was everywhere and nowhere, and somehow she didn't seem to get any wilder, perhaps even less wild as she would still come very close to ya. After 3/4 years of roaming I never saw her again, and for a rabbit she got quite old.

The chickens at our place roamed around as wel, at times I would accidentally step in a nest full of eggs somewhere in the bushes, the chickens were smart and always went to the snackbar which was about 800 meters away from our house to nick the chips/fries.

Ah good ole times, atm we have 1 cat, and 2 dogs. if they want to go outside we simply open the door since they are taught not the leave the area, but we also walk with them.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
I've had dogs, cats, fish, gerbils, rabbits, and even fancy rats... man, I loved those rats, but they don't live very long and I couldn't stand to have my heart broken every 2 years, if they don't get sick first. :( RIP Nobby and Simon... you were good kids.
 
arg-fallbackName="Andiferous"/>
Don-Sama said:
now why have i heard so little about dogs? first an awww moment.

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/705331/9d57a88a/hond_extreem_overdreven_blij.html
Probably that dogs (perhaps pack mentality or somesuch) tend to be more active including themselves in family lives, while others (especially those in cages) tend to rely on people remembering that they're still around. But even so, there are terrible abuses of dogs. I think some dogs, by virtue of domestication, have become well suited to human companionship. ;)
ImprobableJoe said:
I've had dogs, cats, fish, gerbils, rabbits, and even fancy rats... man, I loved those rats, but they don't live very long and I couldn't stand to have my heart broken every 2 years, if they don't get sick first. :( RIP Nobby and Simon... you were good kids.
I wonder if perhaps being raised in a crazy pet household might give you perspective on your place in the universe. hehe.
 
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Andiferous said:
I wonder if perhaps being raised in a crazy pet household might give you perspective on your place in the universe. hehe.
I'm not sure what a "crazy pet household" means, but I know that inviting animals into your life gives you perspective on the meaning of responsibility for beings who depend on you.
 
arg-fallbackName="Andiferous"/>
ImprobableJoe said:
Andiferous said:
I wonder if perhaps being raised in a crazy pet household might give you perspective on your place in the universe. hehe.
I'm not sure what a "crazy pet household" means, but I know that inviting animals into your life gives you perspective on the meaning of responsibility for beings who depend on you.

And of course, appreciation for other species. ;)
 
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