Master_Ghost_Knight
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Oh look, you didn't get an answer. What a surprise. Who would have thunk it?
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Oh look, you didn't get an answer. What a surprise. Who would have thunk it?
Monistic Idealism said:Oh look, you didn't get an answer. What a surprise. Who would have thunk it?
Why are you saying this like it's some mark against me? Someone else's failure to address my points/arguments is their bad, not mine.
I don't quite follow, I thought you acknowledged that I did in fact answer?
Monistic Idealism said:I don't quite follow, I thought you acknowledged that I did in fact answer?
You did. It seems he's referring to my latest comment that you didn't respond to, which is no big deal to me. It seems Master_Ghost_Knight was just being petty.
Oh, right. Sure, that's fine. I had to go offline (sleep and exciting stuff like that) - I've just had another look at your last reply to me, I want to re-read your OP and maybe a bit more of this thread before I reply to it. Hopefully someone else will be along to chip in before then.
Master_Ghost_Knight said:Am I mistaken here, or did not SD just granted to answer your question while asking you to answer his question in return, and you never did?
Master_Ghost_Knight said:Am I mistaken here, or did not SD just granted to answer your question while asking you to answer his question in return, and you never did?
Monistic Idealism said:Master_Ghost_Knight said:Am I mistaken here, or did not SD just granted to answer your question while asking you to answer his question in return, and you never did?
Yes you are mistaken. The questions between SD and myself have been answered, we have an understanding.
Well, some of that is true.
You didn't answer the question.
Although it does not surprise me that you require the understanding of a 18 month baby.
I acknowledged that the "I" exists. I then asked you to explain the "I" - you didn't do that.
SD: And I have acknowledged the existence of the I
Monistic Idealism: That's nice, but you haven't answered my question and I can't continue without an answer. Dear sir, I'm being patient and courteous and merely asking for a yes or no answer to my request for clarification: My question is: do you grasp this notion of the I at least in a common sense average joe's non-ivory tower way? You grasp it at least in the sense that an 18-month child grasps it correct? I need a direct yes or no answer to this before we can continue
SD: I am confident in asserting that I can grasp most notions in a sense higher than the average 18 month old child. And that includes (by default, since I'm not an 18 month old child) the question you asked. So, therefore, yes <--- there's your answer.
Monistic Idealism said:I acknowledged that the "I" exists. I then asked you to explain the "I" - you didn't do that.
Okay this is starting to get dishonest on your part... Your comments are public man, obfuscating your own admission of understanding the "I" doesn't help. Your direct quotes prove I'm right:
SD: And I have acknowledged the existence of the IMonistic Idealism: That's nice, but you haven't answered my question and I can't continue without an answer. Dear sir, I'm being patient and courteous and merely asking for a yes or no answer to my request for clarification: My question is: do you grasp this notion of the I at least in a common sense average joe's non-ivory tower way? You grasp it at least in the sense that an 18-month child grasps it correct? I need a direct yes or no answer to this before we can continueSD: I am confident in asserting that I can grasp most notions in a sense higher than the average 18 month old child. And that includes (by default, since I'm not an 18 month old child) the question you asked. So, therefore, yes <--- there's your answer.
Boom, you admitted right there that you understand my explanation of the word "I". We already have an understanding of the "I" then by your own admission. We have an understanding of the "I" that is necessary. I've noted long ago that I've set the bar low on this matter since this thread is about the case for idealism, not the self. If one wants a crazy detailed analysis on the self, they need to start a new thread. From the beginning I've made this clear that I'm giving a common sense average joe's understanding of this, the kind of understanding even an 18-month old child can grasp and that more fundamental issues on the matter deserve their own thread.
This is all looking very familiar. I'm sure I've read this somewhere before....
Master_Ghost_Knight said:If it were merely that simple.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_self
That's exactly what I'm doing lolMost philosophical definitions of self—per Descartes, Locke, Hume, and William James—are expressed in the first person.
No, I did not, you dishonest coward. I am under no obligation to pick from any of your beliefs. I will defend my own claims and for that you need to quote me directly. But it's ludicrous that you would think I somehow have to adopt one of your beliefs.Monistic Idealism said:Yes you did and you still haven't given an answer you coward. Pick one:
Those are not quotations of me. However, notice that what you are stating is not, in fact, a dichotomy. The reason you fail to see that is because you don't really read my comments and merely blindly repeat your own assertions. Observe:>I understand nothing about the I
>I understand that the I exists and notices
You have to pick one. Either you understand or you do not understand. That's the law of excluded middle, there is no third option. To state otherwise is to be a logic denier...</U>
That is not a contradiction. One can say there is something that notices while also saying that which notices has not been explained. So you are just grasping at straws here.The problem is you already claimed that there is an I that notices, which contradicts the claim that you have absolutely 0 understanding of the I:
That is logically impossible.Premise 1 is true by your own admission.