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[5810Singer]

BTW I'd just like to make it clear that I don't believe these crop markings were a reply.

The first one,......maybe just maybe there's a slim possibility that it could possibly be real, but Nasher's pointed why it's probably not.

But the second one with the beautifully rendered, 3D-ish portrait of "The Mekon" from "The Adventures of Dan Dare: Pilot of the Future",......nah.

 

[Demojen]

Hoax

 

[nasher168]

Please come back, Niocan. I'm genuinely curious as to how you would respond to what has been said. Whether you remain convinced by the crop-images.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

The first one,......maybe just maybe there's a slim possibility that it could possibly be real, but Nasher's pointed why it's probably not.

:shock:
Now you are worrying me.

 

[Light]

Hold on, did that IT guy say that the circular code was converted to ASCII code and then resulted in a message?

Are people seriously buying this? ASCII?

Everyone knows aliens use Unico-*is shot*

 

[Niocan]

I have a hard time believing that *all* crop circles are fake, as it seems there's a distinct difference between flattening the crops with a board and slightly microwaved ground samples with the explosions of water vapor at the joints of the stalk. There's something else doing this, and from what I've collected about this topic the reason they're made is two-fold: We (humans) have the desire, and they ('aliens') have the capabilities and Love for mystifying art. It's really just them having a little fun

In regards to why they aren't showing themselves or rather they choose to pick non-direct means of doing so... We have our own karma to work out, and this catalyst is far more beneficial to us then what a massive decloaking would be. It's a little hard to swallow, but this perspective is based off the spiritual hypothesis that we're here to learn how to Love, etc. If, however, we find ourselves in a situation that will endanger the Earth herself (Gaia hypothesis) on a massive scale then I have no doubt that they'd intervene... Look up the oddities that surround some nuclear silos when they're visited by hovering lights. Though, this is all somewhat speculative.

Their bodies, and how they're humanoid in appearance, has an answer but you're not going to like it and I know the heavy baggage that comes with this... It seems to be a galactic blueprint for "intelligent" life.

There are many valid reasons for why this is so, dealing with our central processor and it's protection, the transfer speeds and safety of having the vital sensory organs close to each other, our ability to manipulate our physical environment with our opposable thumbs, etc. It's the form that's held, but the means and medium seem to change. Take this as it is, but I've heard that there are many, many different ways to achieve this bodily form and it doesn't necessarily have to come from animals... Plants, insects, and yes even reptiles

I'm sure this is well enough to get some discussions going, and to add just one more thing: I believe to any xenobiologist there's enough proof from the first viking lander and the extremophiles found on Earth to suggest that bacteria inhabit 98%+ of all the planets and possibly even most of the 'dust' clouds in space.

 

[scalyblue]

DERP this is all...speculative, DERP

Fixed that for you.

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[Niocan]

As odd as these claims may be, I'm clearly saying they're speculative and interesting perspectives that may or may not lead to further discussions; At least I'm trying to add something here, blue.

 

[5810Singer]

The first one,......maybe just maybe there's a slim possibility that it could possibly be real, but Nasher's pointed why it's probably not.

:shock:
Now you are worrying me.

I use two "maybe"s, one "possibility", one "possibly", and I finish with a "probably not"...........worry not.

 

[scalyblue]

As odd as these claims may be, I'm clearly saying they're speculative and interesting perspectives that may or may not lead to further discussions; At least I'm trying to add something here, blue.

You're speaking of them as though they are fact, while just commenting oftly that they are speculative.

 

[Niocan]

I believe everyone does that blue, it's called having an opinion.

 

[Gnug215]

[...] There's something else doing this, and from what I've collected about this topic the reason they're made is two-fold: We (humans) have the desire, and they ('aliens') have the capabilities and Love for mystifying art. It's really just them having a little fun

In regards to why they aren't showing themselves or rather they choose to pick non-direct means of doing so... We have our own karma to work out, and this catalyst is far more beneficial to us then what a massive decloaking would be. It's a little hard to swallow, but this perspective is based off the spiritual hypothesis that we're here to learn how to Love, etc. If, however, we find ourselves in a situation that will endanger the Earth herself (Gaia hypothesis) on a massive scale then I have no doubt that they'd intervene... Look up the oddities that surround some nuclear silos when they're visited by hovering lights. Though, this is all somewhat speculative.

[...]

I've heard something similar before. I believe it was Kent Hovind who once said, asked why we had all these fossils in the ground: "I believe God put those there to test our faith."

How is it that proponents of ideas like this (crop circles in this case), that have no evidence to support them, are always so willing to grant the "supernatural agent of choice" of their particular belief so much leeway?
Why do these supernatural agents always seem to operate just beyond the boundaries of verifiable evidence? And when the logic of their supposed actions/inactions is questioned, all kinds of excuses are made to explain away inconsistensies.

Why not just openly admit that there is no good evidence for this stuff, but in your eagerness to believe it - perhaps based on some, somewhat understandable, romantic notion - you're willing to give these ideas far more credit than reason deserves?

 

[Niocan]

I've heard something similar before. I believe it was Kent Hovind who once said, asked why we had all these fossils in the ground: "I believe God put those there to test our faith."

How is it that proponents of ideas like this (crop circles in this case), that have no evidence to support them, are always so willing to grant the "supernatural agent of choice" of their particular belief so much leeway?
Why do these supernatural agents always seem to operate just beyond the boundaries of verifiable evidence? And when the logic of their supposed actions/inactions is questioned, all kinds of excuses are made to explain away inconsistensies.

Why not just openly admit that there is no good evidence for this stuff, but in your eagerness to believe it - perhaps based on some, somewhat understandable, romantic notion - you're willing to give these ideas far more credit than reason deserves?

I assure you that I dislike Kent as much as anyone else here, so please don't lump me together with him ;(
I ascribe the leeway of the unknown to the extent I do because we really don't know much about them; The base here is that we're talking and speculating on an issue that has very large implications for ourselves, yet doesn't have the solidity that we're comfortable with. Find me more evidence that the very large fractal crop circles can be made by man overnight, and I'll believe your claims enough to not warrant at least some speculation regarding the aliens.

 

[e2iPi]

Find me more evidence that the very large fractal crop circles can be made by man overnight, and I'll believe your claims enough to not warrant at least some speculation regarding the aliens.

The global inter-tubes are truly a wonderful place.

circle makers website chock full of useful tips.
How stuff works is always a fun place to visit.

There's even a Youtube video.

Google knows all :lol:

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[Gnug215]

I've heard something similar before. I believe it was Kent Hovind who once said, asked why we had all these fossils in the ground: "I believe God put those there to test our faith."

How is it that proponents of ideas like this (crop circles in this case), that have no evidence to support them, are always so willing to grant the "supernatural agent of choice" of their particular belief so much leeway?
Why do these supernatural agents always seem to operate just beyond the boundaries of verifiable evidence? And when the logic of their supposed actions/inactions is questioned, all kinds of excuses are made to explain away inconsistensies.

Why not just openly admit that there is no good evidence for this stuff, but in your eagerness to believe it - perhaps based on some, somewhat understandable, romantic notion - you're willing to give these ideas far more credit than reason deserves?

I assure you that I dislike Kent as much as anyone else here, so please don't lump me together with him ;(
I ascribe the leeway of the unknown to the extent I do because we really don't know much about them; The base here is that we're talking and speculating on an issue that has very large implications for ourselves, yet doesn't have the solidity that we're comfortable with. Find me more evidence that the very large fractal crop circles can be made by man overnight, and I'll believe your claims enough to not warrant at least some speculation regarding the aliens.

Well, in that case I can recommend not making up emotional excuses for the supposedly illogical actions of these supernatural agents. Kent Hovind has done this on numerous occasions, so much so that if I were to believe his nonsense, I would have to believe that God was something of a trickster.
Perhaps I've seen too much Star Trek or something, but it just doesn't seem logical to me that aliens coming here from far away would be tricksters. (Sci-fi R srs bsns!)
But no, I'm not calling you a creationist, just so you know.

I see e2iPi just posted (after I first crashed in the middle of the post - I bet it was his fault!) some of the links I was about to provide, so I'm not going to repeat them.

In conclusion, I personally don't totally dismiss the idea that aliens could be creating crop circles, but discovering that they can be man made, and most of them have been man-made as a matter of fact, and that they strangely seem to have become more complex through time (alpha-malery, anyone?) indicates heavily that it isn't the case. While track record might not be a conclusive argument for anything, I think it is a really great argument. (Same goes with the rest of science in general.)

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Seriously this is like beliving in the tooth fairy.

This super advanced alien civilization, that against all odds traveled interstelar distances to find us and to warn us about the impending interruption of the reciclying of ghosts, and the most advanced way they could find to comunicate to us is to flaten uncle Bob's corn and leave ambiguous drawings that makes no sense what so ever?
And that they are right now, flying on invisble flying saucers (that are spoted all the time) just to cudle missile silos on military grade research air fields?
For real?

 

[scalyblue]

On a side note, stealth in space is impossible without breaking the second law of thermodynamics, and any interstellar engine energetic enough to be interesting is also a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[borrofburi]

creating crop circles, but discovering that they can be man made, and most of them have been man-made

I think you mean: most of them have been explicitly confirmed to be man-made.

I believe this is relevant:

 

[Niocan]

As I said before, not *all* crop circles are man-made; Though I couldn't find anything on the crop circle makers site dealing with germination rates, node bursts, etc I might have missed it.

Also, the nuclear missiles are always sent into a NO-GO status after the alleged UFO appeared near the base and left. (See "341st SMW unit history page 32")

 

[scalyblue]

Also, the nuclear missiles are always sent into a NO-GO status after the alleged UFO appeared near the base and left. (See "341st SMW unit history page 32")

A UFO is the condition when an object that is apparently flying has not identified itself, UFO is not synonymous with space aliens. I should think that enhanced security protocols after detecting a UFO would be pretty normal fare.