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Jibba said:Ok, well this has devolved into a typical religion thread which means I'm going to close it. My religious views are irrelevant in the matter, but I'd just like to point out to the people promenading logic and science in this debate that most of you haven't actually applied logic or science to the police report, which maintains that a single man was capable of nailing his feet to a cross, tying his neck back, stabbing himself and then drilling holes in his hands while remaining lucid enough to place said hands over spikes.
Officials re-enacted some elements of the crucifixion and concluded that an adult male could perform the act on his own, the agency said.
Am I the only one who sees the absurdity in this? Use your fucking investigative minds.
theyounghistorian77 said:TheThinkingatheist brought this to my attention: How is it possible to crucify yourself without help?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/18/south-korean-dead-crucifixion-recreation
It's right there in the middle of that article, and it's physically possible to do so, provided you don't pass out from the pain of having your feet nailed, or the blood loss from your stab wound. Also:Kim is believed to have nailed his feet to the cross, tied his neck to it and stabbed himself in the side.
He is then believed to have drilled holes in his hands and slipped them over nails on the cross,
Well, one less lunatic in this world.Officials re-enacted some elements of the crucifixion and concluded that an adult male could perform the act on his own, police said.
The man was a devout Christian, and police speculated that his "deep religious faith" may have helped him endure "immense pain".
Police said they found the man's notes planning the crucifixion.
)O( Hytegia )O( said:Scientifically? It's a euphoric experience caused by very-real roleplaying situations that replicate famous acts of sacrifice of various deities and acts of nature - or whims of heroes. Things that can be replicated and reproduced.
The more the extreme stress placed upon the human body, the greater the "yield" for results. Like Shaman hotboxes, or other "Spiritual Journeys" - if it were easy (not remotely possible), then it wouldn't have taken a deity nor a hero to do it.nasher168 said:)O( Hytegia )O( said:Scientifically? It's a euphoric experience caused by very-real roleplaying situations that replicate famous acts of sacrifice of various deities and acts of nature - or whims of heroes. Things that can be replicated and reproduced.
:| More probable I think, that the extra blood rushes to the head and pools there, causing the brain cells to effectively malfunction. Similar in nature, I imagine to a near-death experience. I certainly wouldn't recommend the idea to anyone, given the chance of stroke as a result.
Don't know about the Korean guy though. I'm inclined to give "just batshit insane" as my thoroughly amateur diagnosis.
)O( Hytegia )O( said:If I can hang upside down with my foot (just one) tied to a tree for 5 hours, and still have the wits about me to cut myself down after so much time had passed that I was seeing visions dancing in my head due to deep meditation - then I have no doubt that this man could have crucify himself.
He was doing something similar to what us in the business of active interaction with the unseen world like to call "interaction by reenactment." People who feel the need to channel dogs will dress up like dogs and walk around and bark at things. People who want to feel connected to Diana's descent into the Underworld utilize an elaborate ritual reenacting the descent and the trade-off for accessing the underworld. Those who wish to have a life-altering vision or guise of wisdom like Odin will hang themselves from a tree by their feet until one occurs.
They imitate those things that they wish to become closer to. Things that made that particular deity, hero, or force of nature significant. The more extreme, and the more closely-related, the better.
Magically? It's Channeling by Reenactment.
Scientifically? It's a euphoric experience caused by very-real roleplaying situations that replicate famous acts of sacrifice of various deities and acts of nature - or whims of heroes. Things that can be replicated and reproduced.
Never doubt us religious folks' will to become closer to our imaginary friends.
AWESOME!Nemesiah said:I mean, It happened to me, When I felt I was loosing my faith I had a couple of weeks (more like 1 and a half) of extreme devotion, praying real hard, up to the point when I said "who am I kidding?, I know it's not real..." and then had a very liberating afternoon realising there was no god.