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Sharing observations of my first christian funeral.

televator

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The title sounds kinda weird, I know...so let me explain it. I'll try to be brief.

So, this last Friday - Saturday, I attended a funeral of an aunt who died from a cardiac problem. I wasn't particularly close to her, but she was married to an uncle of mine whom I have direct relation to and for the sake of making an effort to become close with family I attended it for his sake. I don't know if that sounds cold and calculated, but I'm kinda unfamiliar with maintaining some aspects of these kinds of bonds... Yet, I can definitely say that there was something shamelessly calculated about this christian funeral.

I've attended other funerals before -- catholic and a taoist, but there was something that set this christian one apart. Usually, funerals seem to take the mourning and respect for the deceased to the forefront, while having religious undertones as a somewhat tolerable/inconsequential aesthetic element. Sure there's the obligatory religious text oration and ritual, but that's to be expected, given that it is what that person "held stocks" in. The religious tone in this christian funeral however, was a lot more overt, and downright uncomfortable at the very least because of one thing I've never seen at a funeral -- evangelizing.

Yes, it all went down like some televangelist special extravaganza. It was very strange. Now, I didn't know anything about my aunt before all this and unfortunately, I didn't get to know much more than some superficial info after. Probably due to the fact that everything anyone had to say about her was so deeply entwined with god an jebus. Apparently, she worked for the church and was the biggest reason for why my uncle converted to christianity and later became a priest.

So anyway, here's how the viewing sort of followed: Priest begins by admitting that there are people of different faiths in attendance, but then says regardless of belief, we all serve god....(I guess atheists don't exist at funerals. :roll: ). Then he offers up my aunt's corpse as "proof" of jesus' pathway into heaven. Near the end, he was brazen enough to suggest that if there was anyone who wanted to accept Jesus into their heart, to just raise their hand and go up to the front to be "saved" right then and there. WTF?! Some, like myself are there for family and nothing else, but that still didn't seem to stop this church from taking the opportunity to shamelessly turn up the sales routine for their snake oil product upon a new crowd.

Every prayer was preceded with "Please, bow your head in reverence to the lord.", and promptly followed by praises to god and shouts of "hallelujah!". Everything else in between was mostly fear mongering of the the uncertainty of mortality. Thus, according to the priest, it was best to be prepared by accepting Jesus now and forever.

Aside from the family bonding, this servers for me as a very interesting inside perspective of christian functions. I felt like such a wolf among the sheep, but I avoided doing or saying anything that would cause trouble. However, I did get some shocked and angry stares from some of the attendees who noticed my lack of participation in prayer and song. :lol:

Just thought I'd share and see if anyone else can say anything to help me better absorb the experience while it's still fresh in my mind.
 
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yea i know what you mean, i had a similar experience not so long ago, sad thing was that the priest chose some very poor choice of words, songs and prayers for the funeral, trying to make it into a conversion session rather than what the funeral should have been: a celebration of the person that passed away.... :facepalm:
 
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What have I observed in christian funerals?

The following:

1. Excuse to gamble
2. Excuse to see other relatives
3. Excuse to evangelize
4. Excuse to act in a hypocritical manner
5. Excuse to get laid (nice eh?)
6. Excuse to blame another for the death of a loved one
 
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televator said:
Priest begins by admitting that there are people of different faiths in attendance, but then says regardless of belief, we all serve god....(I guess atheists don't exist at funerals. :roll: ).
Priest's potential perspectives:
(1) atheist?! What's an atheist and what's it doing at my funeral?!?
(2) atheists aren't human beings, they hardly deserve a mention
(3) atheists serve god, even if unwittingly

televator said:
ome, like myself are there for family and nothing else, but that still didn't seem to stop this church from taking the opportunity to shamelessly turn up the sales routine for their snake oil product upon a new crowd.
If he's a true believer then he really is trying to do good... If he's not a true believer than he's a deceitful person and one should expect deceitful actions from deceitful people...
 
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borrofburi said:
televator said:
Priest begins by admitting that there are people of different faiths in attendance, but then says regardless of belief, we all serve god....(I guess atheists don't exist at funerals. :roll: ).
Priest's potential perspectives:
(1) atheist?! What's an atheist and what's it doing at my funeral?!?
(2) atheists aren't human beings, they hardly deserve a mention
(3) atheists serve god, even if unwittingly

televator said:
ome, like myself are there for family and nothing else, but that still didn't seem to stop this church from taking the opportunity to shamelessly turn up the sales routine for their snake oil product upon a new crowd.
If he's a true believer then he really is trying to do good... If he's not a true believer than he's a deceitful person and one should expect deceitful actions from deceitful people...

That thought occurs to me often about all zealots. In either case the priest is in error. It's sorta like distinguishing the difference between a soldier who knowingly acts on dark impulses to murder his "enemies", and a soldier who believes he's genuinely doing good by killing people he's been brainwashed into believing were his enemies. Although the prior option does imply true malice in his character, without more information, one can only assume the latter and prepare for the worst of the 2 implication.

australopithecus said:
As an aside, last week I went to a humanist funeral. It was terrible.

What was that like? What made it terrible?
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
Fun fact:
All the documents in my entire Military record, and my will, list my religion as Wiccan and request a funeral (after humourously joking around about wanting to be fired into the sunset by a trebouchet, lit aflame) that was simply my military-issued grave marker being placed in a public place - lika a memorial to my existence (as long as there's no burying, my local town has no problem with this) and my ashes spread to the winds on the sea.

Of course, the executors of my will are my immediate family... All of which are very devout Souther-Baptist Christians. I wonder how this mess will all turn out - even with me listing the local JAG office as the people to oversee the proper execution of my will. It's certainly going to be odd for a Pagan cerimony, and Wiccan funeral marker to acknolwedge my existence.

Oh well - that will be the least of my worries at that point.
 
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Funerals seem to vary quite a bit depending on the church.
Like in my town, we have the baptist church and the regular state church.
My mother had to go to two funerals in one week. One was for her uncle.

One was in the baptist church and one was in th regular church.
The one in the Baptist church was apparently the most boring funeral she had been to, and the priest sounded incredibly boring and unenthusiastic.
The one in the regular church was very good. I know the priest who works there. He is a pretty cool guy.
 
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)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Fun fact:
All the documents in my entire Military record, and my will, list my religion as Wiccan and request a funeral (after humourously joking around about wanting to be fired into the sunset by a trebouchet, lit aflame) that was simply my military-issued grave marker being placed in a public place - lika a memorial to my existence (as long as there's no burying, my local town has no problem with this) and my ashes spread to the winds on the sea.

Of course, the executors of my will are my immediate family... All of which are very devout Souther-Baptist Christians. I wonder how this mess will all turn out - even with me listing the local JAG office as the people to oversee the proper execution of my will. It's certainly going to be odd for a Pagan cerimony, and Wiccan funeral marker to acknolwedge my existence.

Oh well - that will be the least of my worries at that point.

LOL!
Troll beyond the grave.
Let's hope it doesn't start a meme.
 
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Master_Ghost_Knight said:
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Fun fact:
All the documents in my entire Military record, and my will, list my religion as Wiccan and request a funeral (after humourously joking around about wanting to be fired into the sunset by a trebouchet, lit aflame) that was simply my military-issued grave marker being placed in a public place - lika a memorial to my existence (as long as there's no burying, my local town has no problem with this) and my ashes spread to the winds on the sea.

Of course, the executors of my will are my immediate family... All of which are very devout Souther-Baptist Christians. I wonder how this mess will all turn out - even with me listing the local JAG office as the people to oversee the proper execution of my will. It's certainly going to be odd for a Pagan cerimony, and Wiccan funeral marker to acknolwedge my existence.

Oh well - that will be the least of my worries at that point.

LOL!
Troll beyond the grave.
Let's hope it doesn't start a meme.

I have a speech written out that ends something along the lines of:
"Well, at least now - I'm incapable of losing the Game."

I'll be damned if there is no laughter at my memorial.
 
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)O( Hytegia )O( said:
I have a speech written out that ends something along the lines of:
"Well, at least now - I'm incapable of losing the Game."

That is awesome! I am also already planning out several posthumous jokes to play on the ones I'll leave behind.
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
I'll be damned if there is no laughter at my memorial.

Hopefully not literally (I don't know much about the wiccan faith (although enough that the previous comment was not serious))?

:p
 
arg-fallbackName="televator"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Fun fact:
All the documents in my entire Military record, and my will, list my religion as Wiccan and request a funeral (after humourously joking around about wanting to be fired into the sunset by a trebouchet, lit aflame) that was simply my military-issued grave marker being placed in a public place - lika a memorial to my existence (as long as there's no burying, my local town has no problem with this) and my ashes spread to the winds on the sea.

Of course, the executors of my will are my immediate family... All of which are very devout Souther-Baptist Christians. I wonder how this mess will all turn out - even with me listing the local JAG office as the people to oversee the proper execution of my will. It's certainly going to be odd for a Pagan cerimony, and Wiccan funeral marker to acknolwedge my existence.

Oh well - that will be the least of my worries at that point.

Every time I hear talk about spreading someone's ashes, I think of this:

lowbowski-1.gif


:lol: :lol:
 
arg-fallbackName="Giliell"/>
Hmmm, I've been to a catholic funeral once and I hated it.
It's was my paternal grandpa's and "Jesus Christ" was mentioned more often than him. I acknowledge that it was the first time he'd entered a church in 20 years, still.
So when my hubby's great-uncle died I said I'd go to the actual burrial, but not to church before. Well, this guy was actually uote catholic and always donated generously (OK, he was a little control freak and donated for "a poor kid to go to the summer camp" so no money left for the pope). so you should have expected this to be a bit better. My husband told me that the priest had managed to mispronounce his name through the entire sermon.

All the humanist funerals I've been to were god in the sense that a funeral can be good.
 
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Oh also, I can't believe I forgot this... It was also said that denying god is the greatest of all sins. I can't remember exactly who said this, but a good majority of the room nodded in agreement. :roll: I rolled my eyes so hard, you could hear it.
 
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I've went to a couple of catholic burials mostly because catholicism is the main religion here, even if you're not religious you still get a catholic burial. When I went to the burial of my gdad (we're a pretty close family because most of us live in the same town) I told my brother and sister I don't want a long, boring speech from a priest who never knew me anyway. I would be happier to know that if I die my family gets drunk and has a party in my name, not go to the church against their will (no one beside my grandparents are religious) and listen to a guy talk about Jesus for an hour.
 
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Master_Ghost_Knight said:
Not serious? Why not?

The "hopefully not literal" comment. (I know full well that he doesn't believe he will be damned if no one laughs).

Not the "that is awesome" comment. (Both the forcing christians to a pagan ceremony and the "lose the game" thing are friggin' awesome.)

Giliell said:
All the humanist funerals I've been to were god


Terrible typo. :D
 
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