Sharia for Belgium

[Leçi]

Today in Belgium a politician died after a long battle against cancer. Everyone showed their respect to this young woman who left 2 sons.
Even the people she didn't get along with showed their respect.

But then Sharia For belgium, an extremist group that tries to instate the sharia in Belgium published a video saying how it's a punishment of God and that many other politicians will meet the same fate.

Even though I'm a very calm person, such thing make me very irritated, my gf is muslim, I've met her family, Sharia for belgium gives a bad name to all the muslims. They are like the Westboro baptist church, spouting hate speech the whole time. At the same time people from an extreme right group Blood and honour were sentenced to jail for making hate speech, but those extremist muslims are allowed to walk free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05XmE_827aA
That's the video, but it's in dutch.

 

[SagansHeroes]

As with all walks of life, groups have their moderates, extremists and people who barely register as part of the group (like someone who says they're Christian but never goes to church, reads bible, or particularly believes any of it as anything more than stories). The problem is that moderates and borderline believers don't tend to do anything worthy of making the news, and as successful as capitalism is, it often fuels negative interests of companies in order to do well. Therefore with News being a fully fledged industry, we tend to just hear about the crazies.... and people who don't interact often with such sub-cultures/communities they get their whole mental image of said sub-culture/community based on what the TV/Newspaper tells them.

I wouldn't really consider this "sharia for belgium" as any more of a threat than most terrorists.... More people die of nut allergies per year than terrorism, more die from traffic accidents PER DAY than from terrorists per year.... if they made any serious approach onto the mainland west, the disparity in military technology would obliterate them.

It's why I don't buy the US putting anti-sharia law laws all over their country (like each separate state) or the whole over the top screening and surveillance BS that comes from the government in the interest of protecting them from terrorists. Essentially them having to change their lives so radically and live in such constant fear is more or less what the terrorists want, so it's kind of like giving them a win >.< I mean in a full on war, they couldn't do jack, so all they do is live up to their name and invoke terror.


ANYWAY, basically I wouldn't be overly concerned with these extremists trying to fearmonger their way into power. Most of Europe has set up some successful social-democratic systems that are effective at keeping out the extreme crazies.

 

[Leçi]

Yea, I agree. The thing that bothers me is that their idiocy gives a bad name to all the smart muslims and it also shows a lack of respect to the politician who died. I don't get why they do something like that, it harms their cause more than it helps it.

 

[BrainBlow]

Impose Sharia on a non-country? :lol:

 

[Giliell]

ANYWAY, basically I wouldn't be overly concerned with these extremists trying to fearmonger their way into power. Most of Europe has set up some successful social-democratic systems that are effective at keeping out the extreme crazies.

Yes, and sadly most of Europe is tearing them down in favour of bigger profit, thus fertilizing the ground especially for the extreme right. They installed those systems not out of kindness, but out of fear of the communists. No more commies, no more treats.

Anyway, those claims are, if you think about it, not worse than the common christian claim, entertained by a lot of catholics, that AIDS i s a punishment from god. In both cases, the victim of a terrible disease becomes a criminal who got what they deserved, it takes away any compassion people might have for them.
But, on the large, I think those small extremist groups are good.
First, since any decent human being wil back away in shock and horror from such claims (may I guess that mainstream-muslims in Belgium have declared that they don't agree and of course that this is not in accordance with Islam?), they are exposed and islolated.
Secondly, for those who are sitting a bit more on the fence, it illustrates again how religion can distort a human mind. It takes away the label of "force of good".

Of course, on the other side, there are the other fundies who then think they should battle fire with fire. Personally I'm in favour of clearing out an area (since Belgium is a non-country, we could use Belgium (no, I'm just joking, no Belgians-bashing, I'm totally OK if we take Bavaria, I can't stand them anyway)), lock them there and leave them alone for 50 years.

 

[MRaverz]

Who is to say that your gf doesn't have the 'wrong' Islam, essentially they're all reading from the same texts. Perhaps 'Sharia for Belgium' is staying more true to those texts?

Sure, one is more tolerant, but who's to say that Islam was supposed to be tolerant?

In regards to the Westboro Baptist Church, they're simply following the Bible under a different interpretation, but one which isn't exactly false.


The issue here is not only the texts, but those who feel compelled to follow them in the first place.

 

[Giliell]

In regards to the Westboro Baptist Church, they're simply following the Bible under a different interpretation, but one which isn't exactly false.

Any interpretation of any book that claims it has a supernatural author or origin is exactly false

 

[Leçi]

Who is to say that your gf doesn't have the 'wrong' Islam, essentially they're all reading from the same texts. Perhaps 'Sharia for Belgium' is staying more true to those texts?

Sure, one is more tolerant, but who's to say that Islam was supposed to be tolerant?

In regards to the Westboro Baptist Church, they're simply following the Bible under a different interpretation, but one which isn't exactly false.


The issue here is not only the texts, but those who feel compelled to follow them in the first place.

Sure, my gf's interpretation of Islam could be wrong, but I would rather have a wrong interpretation of Islam that says people to be peaceful and tolerant than the right interpretation that says people should kill all the infidels and force the sharia on other countries.

Also, can someone give us a government? We almost have the world record of forming one (no joke).

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

I don't get why they do something like that, it harms their cause more than it helps it.

You will see this sort of thinge everywhere in life. It is just a constant of the world that there are stupid people, and there isn't anything to stupid for people not to do. Even tough that is what they are doing they don't see themselves giving a bad image to muslim comunities, it is a completly different mind set and should be looked at with a pinch of salt.
But then again, if it is a fundamental belief of a religion that there are a perfect set of rules inspired by a perfect being, are we that surprised that some members of that religious actually believes that and tries to do what in their minds is right?

 

[MRaverz]

Who is to say that your gf doesn't have the 'wrong' Islam, essentially they're all reading from the same texts. Perhaps 'Sharia for Belgium' is staying more true to those texts?

Sure, one is more tolerant, but who's to say that Islam was supposed to be tolerant?

In regards to the Westboro Baptist Church, they're simply following the Bible under a different interpretation, but one which isn't exactly false.


The issue here is not only the texts, but those who feel compelled to follow them in the first place.

Sure, my gf's interpretation of Islam could be wrong, but I would rather have a wrong interpretation of Islam that says people to be peaceful and tolerant than the right interpretation that says people should kill all the infidels and force the sharia on other countries.

Also, can someone give us a government? We almost have the world record of forming one (no joke).

Surely if we're going so ideals, we'd want for your gf to have a truthful view of the world?

On Belgium, don't you have to be a real country to have a government?

 

[Leçi]

She can believe in what she wants, as long as it doesn't interfere with her behaviour or my needs. She's quite modern infact, most turks are, we had some discussions about religion and I showed her how evolution is a fact and she supports it now but she doesn't want to be an atheist or agnostic. Besides that she's really smart, goes to university, etc. So I won't see her do anything stupid in the name of God.

Back in the middle ages Islam supported science, infact the middle ages were a golden age for islam, it's just because people are bloody idiots, hateful and corrupt that Islam now but a shadow of it's former glory.

And on belgium, we have a government, 2 infact, a flemish and a wallonian one (maybe a german one too but I'm not sure) but we need a federal one too. But the french and flemish speaking politicians hate eachother so they don't want to work together to form one. The easy solution would be to seperate Belgium but everyone is scared of making that choice it seems.

 

[Pulsar]

And on belgium, we have a government, 2 infact, a flemish and a wallonian one (maybe a german one too but I'm not sure) but we need a federal one too.

We've got 6 governments, my friend: the federal, Flemish, German-speaking, Brussels, Wallonian and the French Community. And 7 parliaments...
Welcome to the forum, fellow non-countryman

The easy solution would be to seperate Belgium but everyone is scared of making that choice it seems.

Easy? The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is easy compared to the separation of Belgium

As for Sharia 4 Belgium, they are too revolting for words, enough said.

 

[Ad Initium]

Sharia for Belgium has their youtube account removed for violating community directives, ... like inciting hate.

But the virus is spreading. There is a dutch version now too since a short while:


But that is what you get, ... clearly they have not payed attention to Dutch history. If the Dutch get sick of it all ... we just go enter every place of worship and smash it to pieces: iconoclasm, like we Dutch did during the Reformation of the 16th century.

 

[Leçi]

And on belgium, we have a government, 2 infact, a flemish and a wallonian one (maybe a german one too but I'm not sure) but we need a federal one too.

We've got 6 governments, my friend: the federal, Flemish, German-speaking, Brussels, Wallonian and the French Community. And 7 parliaments...
Welcome to the forum, fellow non-countryman

The easy solution would be to seperate Belgium but everyone is scared of making that choice it seems.

Easy? The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is easy compared to the separation of Belgium

As for Sharia 4 Belgium, they are too revolting for words, enough said.

Oh, well it's hard to understand how this non-country "works", let alone know all the governments, parliaments, regions and communities.

I meant, it would be the easiest to seperate belgium, still not easy but it would solve the continuous problem of politicians disliking eachother and being too stubborn to find a middle point to agree on.

Also, about Sharia 4 Belgium, I found a woman on youtube who supported it which I thought was quite weird, from male muslims I wouldn't be supprised if they supported it, but most muslim women know that a radical form of Islam means that women will be treated like slaves.

 

[nemesiss]

a little status update: on youtube and facebook page sharia4belgium has been taken down, the sister-affiliate sharia4nederland (?) is still offline..

 

[Pulsar]

Btw, there's also a Sharia4UK. Their youtube account has also been taken down.

 

[Leçi]

There's sharia4america, sharia4australia, Sharia4Yemen, Sharia4Holland, Sharia4Egypt and probably many more.