--ExeFBM said:dotoree said:Very little so far since Aronra can't bring himself to let me define what MY OWN VIEWS ARE regarding creation science, nor let creation scientists define what their views are. Until that happens, there's not much point in proceeding.
Aronra gave his reasons why the definitions you proposed were unacceptable to him. You have provided no counter arguments to his, or said precisely which definitions you disagree with. If you want the discussion to progress, perhaps you could detail exactly which of his revisions you disagree with and propose a different or modified version. Addressing his arguments as you do so would be more productive. Just saying that he can't define what you believe is not helping in any constructive way.
I'm sorry but this has no relevance. It doesn't matter what he thinks about my definitions about my views in the least. That's NOT his right to decide. That is MY RIGHT ALONE. I DEFINE THEM. NOT HIM.
He may not think there is evidence for those definitions. Fine. I'm not demanding that he agree my definitions have evidence at this point. THAT IS WHAT THE EVIDENCE STAGE IS FOR. It's NOT part of the definitions stage. We can get to evidence and review it. But, he has absolutely NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to define my views unless I can define his. PERIOD.
NEVER IN HISTORY does an opponent of an idea get to define it. NEVER.
Bryan