Row over Pope's remarks about atheists and Nazis

Mr. Benedict hasn't read his Mein Kampf well when he was in the Hitler Jugend, apparently.
I find the irony of him committing a Godwin - and not even in a debate - so thick it's almost palpable.
 

Andiferous

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The Papal empire has been opening itself up to a very poorly written parody of late.

Speaking of which, I know he looks like Palpatine, but have you noticed the similarities of the name Palpatine and the Pope's Papal -tineousness?
 

televator

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My family listens to this guy.....well fuck him very much. Now I'll have to do some explaining as to how the Nazi's were far from "secularists"......as though it weren't obvious. :roll:
 

Light

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Andiferous said:
The Papal empire has been opening itself up to a very poorly written parody of late.
I don't know. Maybe it's more a case of: More News Coverage = More Gaffs Uncovered

I can imagine Vatican personnel walk around acting like twats all the time, it's only now that they're in front of a camera or behind a mic that we have the opportunity to see it. Like Big Brother contestants.

I mean did you hear the 'Third World' crack? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11325699
Cardinal Walter 'The Friendly Ghost' Kasper said:
"England today is a secularised, pluralistic country. When you land at Heathrow Airport, you sometimes think you'd landed in a Third World country."
Vatican sources said:
They also said his "Third World" comment referred to the UK's multicultural society.
The cardinal there, using the more popular meaning of the phrase "Third World country".

Honestly, it's the fact that they seem to live in a bubble. Bloody scary.

On the other hand, statistical trends indicate that Church of Scotland attendance will become negligible toward 2035. So swings and roundabouts, really.
 

Aught3

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I thought the Papacy was supposed to be apologising for preaching antisemitism, not using the suffering and deaths of millions of Jews to advance its own Christian agenda.
 

Rivius

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Aught3 said:
I thought the Papacy was supposed to be apologising for preaching antisemitism, not using the suffering and deaths of millions of Jews to advance its own Christian agenda.
But alas, the papacy has no shame.
 

Andiferous

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Even in Catholic circles Benedict was touted a conservative. I thought Pope John Paul II was conservative; but I am inclined to believe at this point that the Papal empire has its own cryptic political system and there's something very bad going on behind the curtain. Consider Pope John XXIII and the second Vatican council of the 60's. He was a groovy kind of Pope for the era.

My own mother is a very staunch Catholic, but she questioned the logic of electing Mr. Benedict, and had a "nuns behaving badly" calendar hanging in her kitchen.
 

australopithecus

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However, the Catholic Church has moved to play down the controversy, saying the Pope knew "rather well what the Nazi ideology is about".

Well you would know a thing or two about Nazism if you were in the Hitler Youth.
 

Giliell

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Well, Hitlerjunge Ratzinger should know about the Nazis, shouldn't he?
And because the Nazis wanted to eradicate god is why the first international treaty of the Nazis was the f... Reichskonkordat which gives the catholic church quite some power and special rights in Germany as well as a tight grip with their greedy claws on public funding.
Well, and if antisemitism, homophobia, misogyny an pedophilia are those virtues he complains about getting lost in a secular society, then we should do more for it than we're doing even now.
 

nemesiss

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I guess being the head-donkey of a delusion gone wild makes it easier to adopt crazy thoughts at a totally different level then regular humans.
i wouldn't be suprised if darth benedictus starts blaming atheists for the sexual abuse of children by the priests.

note: i would like to declare that donkeys are not delusional or batshit crazy in any way.
Donkey are fine animals and should not be offended by the actions of a mere human.
 

Giliell

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nemesiss said:
i wouldn't be suprised if darth benedictus starts blaming atheists for the sexual abuse of children by the priests.
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You're too late. Some years ago (before their dirty laundry became public), the bishop Marx (link to the wiki-page, not the quote) complained that the rise in sexual abuse and physical abuse of children was to blame on the sinking numbers of traditional families, on unmarried couples and gays.
I'm wondering what he meant by "unmarried couples"? The priest and the acolyte?

Edit: And not to forget: http://forums.leagueofreason.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3472&p=46445&hilit=sexual+revolution#p46445
 

nemesiss

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Giliell said:
nemesiss said:
i wouldn't be suprised if darth benedictus starts blaming atheists for the sexual abuse of children by the priests.
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You're too late. Some years ago (before their dirty laundry became public), the bishop Marx (link to the wiki-page, not the quote) complained that the rise in sexual abuse and physical abuse of children was to blame on the sinking numbers of traditional families, on unmarried couples and gays.
I'm wondering what he meant by "unmarried couples"? The priest and the acolyte?

Edit: And not to forget: http://forums.leagueofreason.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3472&p=46445&hilit=sexual+revolution#p46445

too bad the wiki page was german, cause it wasn't mentioned on the english wiki page, so i can't verify that.
as for the article mention in that topic, it was "the sexual revolution" which has little to nothing to do with religion.
but it does come very close.
 

Giliell

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@nemesis
The quote is not on the Wiki-page. I doubt that it is written on the net somewhere, it was "no big deal" when he said it, I only remember it that well because I was so furious. I strongly object to being responsibly for child abuse just because I wasn't married back then.
 

Mapp

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The Vatican has become the most fantastic tragi-comedy that could ever have been conceived. The just keep upping the irony meter. A network which has protected pedophiles and rapists preaching about sexual morality. A church full of child molesters preaching about the evils of other people's sexuality. A church that preaches mercy consorting with and legitimizing some of the worst governments and crime families in history. And now, the church that signed pacts with Hitler and Mussolini, and praised the Fuhrer in mass right up until 1945 calling people who don't buy into their bullshit Nazis.

I'm not even insulted anymore, I just have to shake my head and laugh.
 

pdka2004

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Well we should listen to the experts. After all not only was he in the Hitler Youth, but the vatican itself pretty much condoned the Nazi's abuses


Oh ...and most Nazis were Catholic
 

Andiferous

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I just think it's not a good practice to give men the power to make all-encompassing decisions for everyone else after cloistering them for a lifetime and hiding them in their own state. If you're going to make decisions for everyone else, at least try to involve yourself with reality. And at least get woman cooties at least once.
 

Story

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Is there any basis at all for this disfigurement of history.

Before I was an atheist, I found this argument and wanted to put it forward in a debate, but after doing further research, I found that it was just a deceptive tactic and a weak argument, but I was one theist among many, what basis does this argument have exactly?
 
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