Reinhardt conspiracy

[Synystyr]

To sum this up, a semi-anonymous guy on google finance (who was banned for unknown reasons) called the stock market crash on September 15th, down to the day, months in advance. He claims that an 'opus dei' type organization called legatus (http://www.legatus.org) is running massive money laundering schemes. He claims that they almost have historical precedent, and when they make pilgrimages to Rome, bad things usually follow. He also claims that these crimes are the main finances to the Vatican. Sounds pretty conspiracy-e, but how was he so exact? Prophecy is based on ambiguity, this was precise. Here is his exact comment...

(Wrote on July 18, 2008)

"Crash is in September."

yup

and the negative news that will move the market downward should occur
Sept 15

this organization below.. runs the show

http://www.legatus.org/public/index.asp

the money laundering occurs just prior to the pilgrimage to rome and
the checks are written during the pilgrimage and the checks clear by
September 14 and the negative news leaks out (something along the
lines of "insider trading on a mass scale at a major brokerage) then
they start crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s on Sarbanes-Oxley II

SOX II will certainly protect the working class' nest-eggs fur sure!

He made other predictions in different venues under his alias Reinhardt, one of which was DJIA having its worst week (He released the starting date and the ending date, which was the trading-week. I don't recall the specifics, but at the time I did verify it and he was on the money). He likes to release cryptic messages, but he also charges money for investors who want to know more. Although the pay-info is more secretive, someone who paid for the service reported on it, and said that it is very in-depth, but they had to retract their report (at Reinhardt's request) because they revealed a little too much. Do you think this organization of Christian-millionaire-CEOs and the Vatican really are doing these sort of things? I don't put it past them for a second. Theres more information, but I figure I'd start here if anyone is interested.

 

[GoodKat]

It's certainly possible, the Vatican has done some really despicable things in the past for money. I would of course need much more evidence to be convinced, but paying to see it might be worth it. If it turned out to be true it could devastate the church's reputation, especially in America.

Could we find out when this group's last pilgrimage was, and the market's behavior that day?

 

[Aught3]

It seems very strange, the bubble wasn't exactly hard to see and markets tend to move in a cyclical fashion. Plus he's trying to make money out it, I'd have to see way more to be convinced.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Seems sort of dull, since non right-wing sources have been predicting this meltdown for years, for the exact reasons it happened. It was first predicted a decade ago, when the first round of deregulation happened.

 

[Synystyr]

It's certainly possible, the Vatican has done some really despicable things in the past for money. I would of course need much more evidence to be convinced, but paying to see it might be worth it. If it turned out to be true it could devastate the church's reputation, especially in America.

Could we find out when this group's last pilgrimage was, and the market's behavior that day?

He has a lot of timelines, and I think he covers a pilgrimage in this response he made (warning: looks long, pilgrimage is near the end.) He also explains that major "conversions" also symbolize big moves.

He says,

"Imagine if Bill Gates
was a member or George Bush"

popular conversions always reside next to coordinated market
debasements

1. Blair
2. Bush
3. Belnick.. 2001

Here he explains the timeline and pilgrimage

"but it all seems a little out there..."

it does seem like that

This is how you debase a securities market:

Note: For search purposes the date format is day/month/year (example:
24/05/1999 is read as May 24 1999).

24/05/1999 Al Gore backs aid to faith-based groups in speech to
Salvation Army facility in Atlanta.

The following is the political definition of "aid to faith-based
groups".

07/1999 Tyco wires $15 million to one of Kozlowski's personal
accounts and $10 million to a personal account of Mr. Schwartz.

22/07/1999 (WSJ316) Texas Gov. George W. Bush tells an Indianapolis
audience that aid to faith-based groups will rally America's "armies
of compassion" to solve social ills (this is a biblical metaphor).

Here comes a little more of Gore & Bush's "aid to faith-based groups".

08/1999 $38.5 million bonus paid in the form of loan forgiveness to
Schwartz ($12.5 million) and Kozlowski ($25 million) and $1 million to
another person. Note: Phillip Hampton ("dead-man defense") chairman
of Tyco compensation committee.

The accounts of Kozlowski, Belnick, and Schwartz are all being filled
prior to the pilgrimage to Rome.

22/09/1999 Belnick files to sell 75,000 shares, worth an estimated
$7.5 million, that he acquired through an exercise of options and from
an employee benefit plan.

30/09/1999 (WSJ300) Belnick receives the first of several huge Tyco
payments: $3.4 million from the sale of restricted company shares.

The same day!

30/09/1999 Members of the organization of Catholic businessmen begin
their 1999 Pilgrimage to Rome with a Mass in the Church of Santo
Spirito celebrated by Archbishop John Foley. The Pilgrimage lasts
until October 07, 1999.

10/1999 Barbara Ley Toffler ends work at Arthur Anderson "four years
to the day" after she started.

10/1999 (WSJ101) Frank Savage Joins Enron's board. He will be a
member of the board's finance committee. He is also on the board of
Lockheed Martin Corp. WSJ reports this is the day after Enron
suspends ethics code for the second time. This move enables CFO
Andrew Fastow to head two controversial partnerships that kept
significant debt off of the books. Savage subsequently votes to
create other off-balance sheet vehicles and suspends the ethics code a
third time. (note: the IRS conspired to allow Enron to avoid taxes
since "Project Tanya" in 1996) Note: Harvard's Toffler ended work
with Arthur Anderson this month!

10/1999 (WSJ338) Enron launches Enron Online and racks up more than
$180 billion in transactions in the first year. Note: The IRS only
bills them for $64 million.

06/10/1999 Belnick emails Father McCloskey to say: "I'm sending you
my check for $2M for my pledge to the new Sanctuary/Alter in the
Catholic Information Center in Washington." My note: Some of that
faith-based funding stuff is starting to enter the scene. Belnick is
actually laundering money between the church and Tyco.

Note: The "radical Islamic Muslim extremists" begin to wonder why a
Jewish attorney is laundering money from Tyco to Catholic
institutions?

06/10/1999 Wednesday October 06 1999; 05:02 pm Eastern Time; Yahoo
Message Board: TYC (Tyco); Post #4545; "The lawyer is shedding some
stock" "Probably buying a boat ... wonder what he knows?"

Washington October 06 (Reuters) - Mark Belnick, chief corporate
counsel and executive vice-president at Tyco International Ltd.
(NYSE:TYC - news), filed to sell about $7.5 million in stock, a
Securities and Exchange Commission filing said. Belnick filed
September 22 to sell 75,000 shares, worth an estimated $7.5 million,
that he acquired through an exercise of options and from an employee
benefit plan, the filing said.

06/10/1999 Tyco shares are up 1-1/8 to $106-1/8 on the NYSE.

See the next day!

07/10/1999 Date of the end of recent Legatus Pilgrimage. Note: The
Catholic Information Center in Washington looted Tyco, not Belnick.
Belnick was simply the courier.

Note: See next day!!!!!

08/10/1999 David Tice (Dallas-based market analyst) sends out report
regarding Tyco's accounting practices. Note: In reality, the report
should have mentioned money-laundering but it didn't. Note: This is
the day following the end of the Legatus pilgrimage. The check is in
the mail as of two days ago. The Catholic Information Center gets its
money. The Legatus "tough choices" are chosen. The beans can be
spilled.

13/10/1999 Tyco calls rumors "unfounded and malicious". This is a
Wednesday (six days after the Legatus Pilgrimage).

29/10/1999 Tyco issues response to New York Times article. Note: The
NYT is (intentionally) debasing Tyco share value.

31/10/1999 EgyptAir crashes a half-hour after the plane takes off
from New York's John F. Kennedy Airport.

11/1999 (WSJ300) Tyco accounting practices begin attracting
skeptical press reports. The SEC commission launches a probe.

The SEC is faking it.

02/11/1999 (WSJ300) Father McCloskey emails Belnick: "I pray you are
weathering well the Tyco tempest".

05/11/1999 (WSJ300) Belnick emails Father McCloskey blaming the
government inquiry on "rumormongers". He adds that Tyco's woes were
"nothing compared to the problems of Mother Theresa's earthly charges
or the glory of her boss." (note: yet another biblical analogy to
white-collar crime)

05/11/1999 (WSJ27) WSJ reports the Senate overwhelmingly approved, by
a vote of 90-8 a landmark financial services overhaul of restrictions
in the Glass-Steagall law.

16/11/1999 George H. W. Bush and his wife sell 100,000 shares of
Global Crossing for $4.45 million.

12/1999 (WSJ563) Omar Sheikh is freed from an Indian Jail - where he
was serving time for kidnapping American (and British) citizens in
Delhi - in exchange for the release of 150 Indians whose flight had
been hijacked to Kandahar by Islamic terrorists. (According to an
eyewitness, Mr. Bernard-Henri Levy reports, Sheikh was received in
Kandahar by an ISI operative.)

09/12/1999 Tyco announces the SEC is conducting an informal inquiry
related to charges and reserves taken in connection with the company's
acquisitions.

22/12/1999 Lawfirm Stull, Stull and Brody announce class action
against Tyco. Kaplan, Kilsheimer and Fox also file a class action
against Tyco in the district of New Hampshire. Other law-firms
include Bernstein, Liebhard and Lifshitz. Schoengold and Sporn.
Note: They are debasing Tyco stock value and they are rounding up who
knows what to make certain that knowledge of what really happened
stays.. at the tip of the iceberg.

10/03/2000 Nasdaq closes at 5048.62 after hitting an intraday high of
5132.52.

Mark Belnick and Warren Rudman had re-"structured" and "governed" the
NASD between 1994 and 1995.

24/02/2000 (WSJ300) Belnick laments in an email to Father McCloskey
that he lacks "spousal consent".

28/02/2000 (WSJ300) Day Belnick had planned to convert to
Catholicism.

Its kind of tough to follow, I wasn't very knowledgeable about Tyco or any of that stuff when it happened at the time. They do have interesting "criteria" though.
http://www.legatus.org/public/MemCriteria.asp

About him "charging", he only recently started doing that after more people found that his predictions were spot on. I'm not an investor myself so I don't really see a need to buy a pass to his journal, but from some of the people that have subscribed, they say he offers a ton of information, different perspectives, and all sorts of "rabbit holes". I'm still trying to dig up all his other released information.

 

[GoodKat]

Wow, this is actually rather believable. I would like to see sources for the events in the last post.

 

[Synystyr]

Heres one I found, mainstream.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB105467469545317500,00.html#articleTabs_comments%26articleTabs%3Darticle

Without subscribing, in its entirety

http://extremecatholic.blogspot.com/html/tyco.htm

 

[luckyirish67]

I wouldn't be suprised if some of this was true.

the Vatican has done a lot of things for money. My friend went to Italy on a school trip and he wanted his roseary to be blessed by the pope, so he paid the money and sent it in. That same night he got it. The pope was in Africa at the time...

 

[COMMUNIST FLISK]

if this turns out to be true....
could the vatican have an army of protesters at the doorstep, ready to tear it down?

i hope so, id glady join them, that institution has tried to bring society to its knees for long enough, its evil needs to be brought to an end.

 

[Synystyr]

Lol. I figure you might enjoy this, communist. Read what the average Roman-fascist prick really thinks about dictators.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=190518

Heres my favorite quote from there...
http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=4913738&postcount=42

Masons are behind 90% of negative things, especially those which affect the Catholic Church.

I believe in an authoritarian government, a corporate state, Catholicism as the official state religion, and the suppresion of Abortion, Freemasonry, Communism and all political parties. If that makes me ruthless, oppressive and even a Fascist in the eyes of athiests, communists, freemasons and heretics, then so be it, I will proudly proclaim myself all of these things!

I am proudly an admirer of Franco! I myself believe in suppression of certain things; if people have too much free will, they will tear themselves apart. And one has to be ruthless and decisive on occasions; as Mussolini said, it is better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.

The vatican has too many drones. It is best to ignore it like a troll. A non-monetary system will also undermine them. As long as there is money, they will have their coffers stuffed.

The whole Tyco-Vatican connection has been established, but no one is really making a big deal about it. I think its fair to say that its only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[COMMUNIST FLISK]

i was like...

thats crazy, i hope KC91 never gets his view shown

 

[PsycoDad]

"Seems sort of dull, since non right-wing sources have been predicting this meltdown for years, for the exact reasons it happened. It was first predicted a decade ago, when the first round of deregulation happened."
Another result of intellectual short comming i. e. the "Reinhard Prediction" of sept. 15th inlcuded precise detail about the sort of financial instruments & corporations way too detailed to be coincidental BUT he argued on nummeriological grounds. Because these legatus guys choose some "astronomical favoring" date. I agree: this seems completely nuts BUT Reinhard was right on the instruments triggering the default wave AND the corporations going bust.
A YouTube user propagandating this is "FeverIam". But beware he,´s religious.
XD

 

[Synystyr]

"Seems sort of dull, since non right-wing sources have been predicting this meltdown for years, for the exact reasons it happened. It was first predicted a decade ago, when the first round of deregulation happened."
Another result of intellectual short comming i. e. the "Reinhard Prediction" of sept. 15th inlcuded precise detail about the sort of financial instruments & corporations way too detailed to be coincidental BUT he argued on nummeriolagical grounds. Because these legatus guys choose some "astronomical favoring" date. I agree: this seems completely nuts BUT Reinhard was right on the instruments triggering the default wave AND the corporations going bust.
A YouTube user propagandating this is "FeverIam". But beware he,´s religious.
XD

I heard about him from checking out David Lightman. Reinhardt is pretty sharp, I've read related writings in Wired Pirate about devaluations (I think R was involved or linked to it somehow), it was spot on. From the sounds of it though, I don't think R likes his profession or the way business is conducted, but it may be someone else from WP.