I was going to post this as a single experience, but I reconsidered thinking that someone else might've done these as well. So extending this to a general thread, here comes 'the rules'
Have you encountered a video made by an evangelist or a creationist(atheists too, if our believing members have encountered them) that seemed to have particularly specialized knowledge in some subject? So deep that you needed to research it for hours or possibly days to see his lies, or you knew that without a prior interest in the matter you could have bought his lies?
I wish to dedicate this thread to short(or atleast relatively short) debunks of such 'expert' stories and comments to these. If you feel like you've done some debunking in a subject most likely not common knowledge, post it here!
I'll post an older thing of mine, considering David Pawson and the anisotropic gemstones that will build new Jerusalem.
While reading on the topic Pulsar made on empty words(sin, heaven, etc), I stumbled upon the comments made about heaven. It reminded me about a video I've watched some time ago:
There is your absolute proof of the new Jerusalem and the existence of god! Anisotropic gemstones.
Took me all day to read up on this and find out what he is talking about. It's your classic creatard-scheme of using peoples ignorance against them. This subject is pretty hard when you try to google something useful for a source and such. I provided my prime source in the end of this post.
Amazingly enough, Pawson does know enough of gemstones to tell the truth about the polarizations and some turning all black, while others project the whole spectrum. This checks out and is all very cool. He claims that only recently have we been able to cut gems so thin we can test them as such, and that is true as well.
But we've always been able to tell isotropic gems from anisotropic gems. This is the bit he forgot to tell you: When looking through a gemstone, you will propably see one of two things: One image distorted, or several images as the light gets split into several beams. The first group is isotropic gems, the latter are anisotropic. So yeah, as soon as man had eyes and found clear enough gem to see through it, he has been able to differentiate between isotropic and anisotropic gemstones.
What else was left untold? Well, only the little fact that kinda gives the whole story away as a story from archaic times, not a divine revelation. You see, the twelve stones described in the story: Five of those are just chalcedony with different pigment. So god must really like chalcedony, or the guys writing this thing didn't know this(because they couldn't tell the chemical composition of the stone). There is plenty of gems to pick from(anisotropics, both uni- and biaxial in optic character), but he picks five different forms chalcedony. I'd think god should know the difference between different colored same type of stones and truly different gems. From the source you can see the list of gemstones yourself and see that there are plenty of stones to choose, jade and sapphire to mention two.
If this video and the research that followed showed me anything, it's that never trust an evangelist, no matter how professional he sounds. Cherrypicking to hide the truth in awe and amazement.
In case I am sorely mistaken, I will provide you with the source for my part of this ridicule, so you can correct if there was something said wrong.
Comment on this or post your own "a little more specialized debunk"-story. Knowledge is power!
Have you encountered a video made by an evangelist or a creationist(atheists too, if our believing members have encountered them) that seemed to have particularly specialized knowledge in some subject? So deep that you needed to research it for hours or possibly days to see his lies, or you knew that without a prior interest in the matter you could have bought his lies?
I wish to dedicate this thread to short(or atleast relatively short) debunks of such 'expert' stories and comments to these. If you feel like you've done some debunking in a subject most likely not common knowledge, post it here!
I'll post an older thing of mine, considering David Pawson and the anisotropic gemstones that will build new Jerusalem.
While reading on the topic Pulsar made on empty words(sin, heaven, etc), I stumbled upon the comments made about heaven. It reminded me about a video I've watched some time ago:
There is your absolute proof of the new Jerusalem and the existence of god! Anisotropic gemstones.
Took me all day to read up on this and find out what he is talking about. It's your classic creatard-scheme of using peoples ignorance against them. This subject is pretty hard when you try to google something useful for a source and such. I provided my prime source in the end of this post.
Amazingly enough, Pawson does know enough of gemstones to tell the truth about the polarizations and some turning all black, while others project the whole spectrum. This checks out and is all very cool. He claims that only recently have we been able to cut gems so thin we can test them as such, and that is true as well.
But we've always been able to tell isotropic gems from anisotropic gems. This is the bit he forgot to tell you: When looking through a gemstone, you will propably see one of two things: One image distorted, or several images as the light gets split into several beams. The first group is isotropic gems, the latter are anisotropic. So yeah, as soon as man had eyes and found clear enough gem to see through it, he has been able to differentiate between isotropic and anisotropic gemstones.
What else was left untold? Well, only the little fact that kinda gives the whole story away as a story from archaic times, not a divine revelation. You see, the twelve stones described in the story: Five of those are just chalcedony with different pigment. So god must really like chalcedony, or the guys writing this thing didn't know this(because they couldn't tell the chemical composition of the stone). There is plenty of gems to pick from(anisotropics, both uni- and biaxial in optic character), but he picks five different forms chalcedony. I'd think god should know the difference between different colored same type of stones and truly different gems. From the source you can see the list of gemstones yourself and see that there are plenty of stones to choose, jade and sapphire to mention two.
If this video and the research that followed showed me anything, it's that never trust an evangelist, no matter how professional he sounds. Cherrypicking to hide the truth in awe and amazement.
In case I am sorely mistaken, I will provide you with the source for my part of this ridicule, so you can correct if there was something said wrong.
Comment on this or post your own "a little more specialized debunk"-story. Knowledge is power!
