PZ Myers lies*sigh*

[mick1le2pick]

Please read this article from an MRA thanking people for being honest with him
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10h0b7/why_all_this_matters/

Now read the spin, lies and quote mines PZ uses in this crap-trap
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/27/why-do-i-despise-mras/

He also thinks one being a jerk would be a good reason to say

"Why do I despise MRAs? Because they are narcissistic clueless psychopaths"

This is not about whether you agree with MRAs.

This is about outright lying.

Don't put up with the kind of tactics used by creationists.

PZ you are irrational
PZ you commit logical fallacies
PZ you are a liar

 

[Inferno]

Oh, I do so love it when people accuse others of lying.
I'll be frank with you mick1le2pick, I think you're looking for attention even though you're not worthy of it. I thought so from the moment you opened the same thread about your own video three? times.

But this? This is a load of BS. Let's get some facts straight first. PZ Myers can't have lied at all because he was giving his opinion. I could say "In my opinion, PZ Myers is the angriest bloke alive", but that wouldn't be lying because that's my opinion. In short: You're on very thin ice to be calling someone a liar.

I have yet to see how PZ misquoted this particular post. The guy said his wife took a year off of work and spent it with the kid. In that time, he spent his day at work and she spent it at home with the kid. Tell me, how is that not exhausting? I don't have kids yet, but I have six! brothers and sisters, all of them younger than me. I know how hard it is to look after kids and yet I can't imagine what it is like to look after them for ten hours straight. And neither does that man.
Also, he DID think about divorce and his reason for not going through with it is because he would "gain little" from it. Well fuck that guy, his reason should be "I'm not considering it because I love my wife and daughter". How much of a douche-bag do you have to be to post stuff like that on the net?

All in all, I can't see any "spin, lies and quote mines" in PZ's post. Be specific, otherwise I'll (and hopefully, most others here) just laugh at you.

Right, so on to your post.
Why did you post it? Are you an MRA yourself? If you are, here's my humble suggestion: Get your head out of your ass and try being a woman for a change. It's hard. I mean, Men's Right Activist, really? Tell me, who's got all (well, most) the power in the world? Men. White, 30+ year old male humans. In short, Men. We've got the power, the money and still we want more? Curse you. MRA is, in my opinion, the equivalent of any other privileged group wanting MORE. Christians wanting more power/sympathy, the Catholic Church being butthurt and wanting special laws, that kinda thing.

Fuck MRA, you don't deserve to have a group.
Chauvinist pigs.

 

[bluejatheist]

Please read this article from an MRA thanking people for being honest with him
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10h0b7/why_all_this_matters/

Now read the spin, lies and quote mines PZ uses in this crap-trap
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/27/why-do-i-despise-mras/

He also thinks one being a jerk would be a good reason to say

"Why do I despise MRAs? Because they are narcissistic clueless psychopaths"

This is not about whether you agree with MRAs.

This is about outright lying.

Don't put up with the kind of tactics used by creationists.

PZ you are irrational
PZ you commit logical fallacies
PZ you are a liar

Please point to an actual lie. PZ made actual points, particularly the "10-hours-at-work-equals-I-do-everthing" one. Also this is PZ being ranty and hyperbolic, what do you expect? He's a firebrand that doesn't hold his tongue. Also also, did you contact him about this rather than posting here where you likely won't find the most PZ-friendly crowd(after the A+ stuff lately)? I'd definitely read it if you had an exchange with him and posted it, honestly.

Also also also it's good if this isn't about the MRA, because that shit's silly.

 

[mick1le2pick]

Oh, I do so love it when people accuse others of lying.
I'll be frank with you mick1le2pick, I think you're looking for attention even though you're not worthy of it. I thought so from the moment you opened the same thread about your own video three? times.

But this? This is a load of BS. Let's get some facts straight first. PZ Myers can't have lied at all because he was giving his opinion. I could say "In my opinion, PZ Myers is the angriest bloke alive", but that wouldn't be lying because that's my opinion. In short: You're on very thin ice to be calling someone a liar.

I have yet to see how PZ misquoted this particular post. The guy said his wife took a year off of work and spent it with the kid. In that time, he spent his day at work and she spent it at home with the kid. Tell me, how is that not exhausting? I don't have kids yet, but I have six! brothers and sisters, all of them younger than me. I know how hard it is to look after kids and yet I can't imagine what it is like to look after them for ten hours straight. And neither does that man.
Also, he DID think about divorce and his reason for not going through with it is because he would "gain little" from it. Well fuck that guy, his reason should be "I'm not considering it because I love my wife and daughter". How much of a douche-bag do you have to be to post stuff like that on the net?

All in all, I can't see any "spin, lies and quote mines" in PZ's post. Be specific, otherwise I'll (and hopefully, most others here) just laugh at you.

Right, so on to your post.
Why did you post it? Are you an MRA yourself? If you are, here's my humble suggestion: Get your head out of your ass and try being a woman for a change. It's hard. I mean, Men's Right Activist, really? Tell me, who's got all (well, most) the power in the world? Men. White, 30+ year old male humans. In short, Men. We've got the power, the money and still we want more? Curse you. MRA is, in my opinion, the equivalent of any other privileged group wanting MORE. Christians wanting more power/sympathy, the Catholic Church being butthurt and wanting special laws, that kinda thing.

Fuck MRA, you don't deserve to have a group.
Chauvinist pigs.

PZ claims "It's written by a smug jerk who is busily congratulating himself on how he and MRAs in general are superior beings with a greater grasp on reality than those childlike women, who are deluded by all those glossy women's mags they read, don't you know."

Actaully the point is to thank people for being honest with him, and he said he thinks he wife has been mislead.
"At the end of the day, I am tired too. But I don't whine about it. . . I can do this because you told me to expect it."

"Every part of her life is a protracted battle against what she was led to expect in the face of reality. And on Saturday she meets with her friends, and they have coffee, and they all lie through their teeth about how successful and happy and content they all are, before going back to guys like me and living the exact opposite.

But where did she get these expectations?

It's simple. She got them from magazines, TV programmes, movies and books."

The quote mine
he quotes
"I rise in the morning, I get my daughter up, fed and dressed, I walk the dog, I put in a solid ten hours at my work to make hundred grand or so a year, then I meet my wife and daughter at the door every evening, cook dinner for us all, bathe my daughter and put her to bed, walk the dog some more and do the dishes. I do the garden, fix anything that needs fixed and take my daughter swimming once a week. In short I do just about everything."

Of course he misses out the bit where he says
"[His wife ] is under the weight of her own terrible burden."
He only puts in the bit about his saying all thing things he does to give the impression of him boasting.

"His response is to consider it, and to weigh the utility of a divorce. I hope this woman read this and realizes that part of her problem is that she's married to a loveless shit with no sense of empathy, who really doesn't love her, and gets out while she can.

Man, if someone asked me why I don't get a divorce, my response would be a disbelieving stare and the simple statement that we love each other and don't want to be apart."

Ignoring of course that it's hard for them at moment, it sounds like they are too worn out to have a very affectionate relationship.

As for why I posted it I think it's good to be skeptical to everyone, PZ is no exemption.

 

[mick1le2pick]

Please point to an actual lie. PZ made actual points, particularly the "10-hours-at-work-equals-I-do-everthing" one. Also this is PZ being ranty and hyperbolic, what do you expect? He's a firebrand that doesn't hold his tongue. Also also, did you contact him about this rather than posting here where you likely won't find the most PZ-friendly crowd(after the A+ stuff lately)? I'd definitely read it if you had an exchange with him and posted it, honestly.

Also also also it's good if this isn't about the MRA, because that shit's silly.

I have E-mailed PZ (in a less venomous tone) and am waiting for a response

PZ claims "It's written by a smug jerk who is busily congratulating himself on how he and MRAs in general are superior beings with a greater grasp on reality than those childlike women, who are deluded by all those glossy women's mags they read, don't you know."

Actaully the point is to thank people for being honest with him, and he said he thinks he wife has been mislead.
"At the end of the day, I am tired too. But I don't whine about it. . . I can do this because you told me to expect it."

So he lied about the topic of the post, is that good enough?

Also he says he does more than 10 hours a day at work, look at this quote (I agree that saying he does just about everything is an exaggeration, but I don't think it is as bad as claiming this guy is a psychopath)

"I rise in the morning, I get my daughter up, fed and dressed, I walk the dog, I put in a solid ten hours at my work to make hundred grand or so a year, then I meet my wife and daughter at the door every evening, cook dinner for us all, bathe my daughter and put her to bed, walk the dog some more and do the dishes. I do the garden, fix anything that needs fixed and take my daughter swimming once a week."

 

[bluejatheist]

I have E-mailed PZ (in a less venomous tone) and am waiting for a response

Ok

PZ claims "It's written by a smug jerk who is busily congratulating himself on how he and MRAs in general are superior beings with a greater grasp on reality than those childlike women, who are deluded by all those glossy women's mags they read, don't you know."

These are aggressive opinions more than untruths. Again, PZ being PZ

Actaully the point is to thank people for being honest with him, and he said he thinks he wife has been mislead.
"At the end of the day, I am tired too. But I don't whine about it. . . I can do this because you told me to expect it."


So he lied about the topic of the post, is that good enough?

Actually you yourself are using a bit of quote mining. The subject of the person's post was thanking others for giving him advice on how to deal with parenting, but he describes it as positive in contrast to his wife, without acknowledging that his wife has those 10 hours of extra work. The sentence where he mentions her 'terrible burden' I can't tell between sarcasm or not.

 

[mick1le2pick]

I have E-mailed PZ (in a less venomous tone) and am waiting for a response

Ok

PZ claims "It's written by a smug jerk who is busily congratulating himself on how he and MRAs in general are superior beings with a greater grasp on reality than those childlike women, who are deluded by all those glossy women's mags they read, don't you know."

These are aggressive opinions more than untruths. Again, PZ being PZ

Actaully the point is to thank people for being honest with him, and he said he thinks he wife has been mislead.
"At the end of the day, I am tired too. But I don't whine about it. . . I can do this because you told me to expect it."


So he lied about the topic of the post, is that good enough?

Actually you yourself are using a bit of quote mining. The subject of the person's post was thanking others for giving him advice on how to deal with parenting, but he describes it as positive in contrast to his wife, without acknowledging that his wife has those 10 hours of extra work. The sentence where he mentions her 'terrible burden' I can't tell between sarcasm or not.

No, "busily congratulating himself" find one part where he does that. He talks about He wife being unprepared and mislead mainly, and yeah if he is honest, he does do quite a lot.

 

[Womble]

Honestly, I thing the MRA's whinge fest, PZ's angry rant and your drivel filled OP are all balderdash!