Protesting Burn a Qu'ran day

[/b/artleby]

To all LOR members from the east coast:

My name is /b/artleby, and I don't care much for politics. I prefer math, and science, and computers. But there comes a point when one cannot just sit back and do nothing. Things are happening which can not be ignored, and despite the fact that I have no experiences with protests or political rally, I want to do something. So hear me out, and if you have any ideas, or wish to participate, I would be very appreciative...

I don't consider myself a very moral person. I don't care much about anything that happens outside of academia. But there are some things that should NOT be done, and even if I don't have some 10 commandments to guide me, there is one thing which I consider an unquestionable moral precept.

You do not burn books.

I want to stage a protest of sorts: essentially a fire brigade. People show up with buckets of water, and we douse the flames. We organize a route for buckets to be refilled, and we get hoses to attach to the fire hydrant.

This will only work if we have a lot of people, and I know it needs a lot more planning to make it work, but it is something that needs to be done.
Books cannot defend themselves.

We need to show these people that we live in a civilized age.

I would appreciate your ideas on whether or not this is feasible, and what would need to be done to make it so.

 

[DepricatedZero]

I was hoping it was a rally cry for Burn a Christian day

I kid I kid

I'm down for that. I haven't heard any goin on in Cinci but I'll keep my ears out.

 

[Jaguar]

Greetings:

I am from Mexico, and the Islam is really a minority here. So far, it seems they like to play low profile, but as you said, books shouldn't be burned. It doesn't matter if they are about religious fundamentalism or just suck, we are not ignorant savages.

I compromise to keep my ears open in the subject if anything like that arises here. The other day I was in a store which contains a book section. One employee yelled at the guy in the register where did the Quaran belonged. The register guy asnwered "in esoterism".

I was pissed. Maybe they didn't do it with ill will, but ignorance is one of tha ways discrimination starts. I told him to put in the same place he would put a bible and left the store. Normally I would have gone without buying something but I ahd already paid and I am a cheap working class bastard.

- The Jaguar

 

[DeusExNihilum]

If someone wishes to burn their property, within the limitations of the law, you don't really have a right to stop them; especially forcibly. Whether you disagree with the notion of burning books or not you can't decide what other people do with their own property, especially since, in all likelihood, these people are going to be burning books on their own private property.

I don't disagree with you that "Burn a Koran day" should be protested, I applaud your enthusiasm and support your motivations ...but surely you can think of something slightly more poignant than running around with buckets of water. I don't know, to me your current Idea comes across as crude, which betrays the overall, intellectually motivated, message.

I don't know where I read it (i might of imagined it, as i thought I saw it on this forum but cannot find it) but "Read a Koran day" seems to me to be the most valid way i've seen of protesting this event.

They're trying to censor something, so read what they're trying to censor.

Hell if you really are wanting to get in the faces of these people, I'd suggest going to their book burning party and reading the Koran to them. Do it as a chorus, Get an autotuner and sing it to them, but something that shows that their attempts at censorship have failed.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Yeah, trespassing and potential assault charges against you will really show them! :facepalm:

Sorry, I don't have a better idea.

 

[DepricatedZero]

What about burning bibles in return

 

[ImprobableJoe]

What about burning bibles in return

Sure, and then you can beat your kids to protest spousal abuse?

 

[theatheistguy]

How about you get people to walk round in pairs, one with a Qur'an, the other with a bible, and each read out the worst verses from each, but see if people can tell the difference?

 

[lrkun]

To all LOR members from the east coast:

My name is /b/artleby, and I don't care much for politics. I prefer math, and science, and computers. But there comes a point when one cannot just sit back and do nothing. Things are happening which can not be ignored, and despite the fact that I have no experiences with protests or political rally, I want to do something. So hear me out, and if you have any ideas, or wish to participate, I would be very appreciative...

I don't consider myself a very moral person. I don't care much about anything that happens outside of academia. But there are some things that should NOT be done, and even if I don't have some 10 commandments to guide me, there is one thing which I consider an unquestionable moral precept.

You do not burn books.

I want to stage a protest of sorts: essentially a fire brigade. People show up with buckets of water, and we douse the flames. We organize a route for buckets to be refilled, and we get hoses to attach to the fire hydrant.

This will only work if we have a lot of people, and I know it needs a lot more planning to make it work, but it is something that needs to be done.
Books cannot defend themselves.

We need to show these people that we live in a civilized age.

I would appreciate your ideas on whether or not this is feasible, and what would need to be done to make it so.

If a group of persons will burn the koran in public, then this can be done. Whether or not it is his private possession, you can do so stop the flame.

If it is done in the confines of their home, then there is nothing that we can do. A man's house is his castle.

Consequently, I like your idea of protecting books, because books, after all, are the heritage of the next generation.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

If a group of persons will burn the koran in public, then this can be done. Whether or not it is his private possession, you can do so stop the flame.

Nope. In Florida you can get shot for stepping onto someone's property. Not just in their house, but anywhere on their property counts as theirs. Trespassing is illegal.

 

[Nautyskin]

If a group of persons will burn the koran in public, then this can be done. Whether or not it is his private possession, you can do so stop the flame.

It would depend on the law(s) where it was being done. You cannot just claim it as worldwide fact as you're appearing to want to do here.

If someone wishes to burn their property, within the limitations of the law, you don't really have a right to stop them; especially forcibly. Whether you disagree with the notion of burning books or not you can't decide what other people do with their own property

Exactly.

 

[lrkun]

If a group of persons will burn the koran in public, then this can be done. Whether or not it is his private possession, you can do so stop the flame.

Nope. In Florida you can get shot for stepping onto someone's property. Not just in their house, but anywhere on their property counts as theirs. Trespassing is illegal.

Well, that is private property. What I meant is when they burn book in public, that means it must be done outside of the private property. Ex. Public parks.

Whether or not it is his private possession - this refers to the koran.

illegal - If there is a law which dictates an act to be illegal, then it is something that we must obey. It means that if it says not to disturb others while they burn their books, then there is nothing that we could really do. Therefore please don't do anything illegal. To know if something is illegal, contact the attorney in your area.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Well, that is private property. What I meant is when they burn book in public, that means it must be done outside of the private property. Ex. Public parks.

They are a church on a pretty big lot that they own. They'll be burning books in their own yard. They're probably clever enough to have asked the local fire department for advice to avoid being shut down.

 

[Nautyskin]

I would appreciate your ideas on whether or not this is feasible, and what would need to be done to make it so.

Honestly, I think a better idea would be to just go there WITH Korans.

Just stand near where they're doing it, holding or reading the Korans that you've bought.

 

[lrkun]

Well, that is private property. What I meant is when they burn book in public, that means it must be done outside of the private property. Ex. Public parks.

They are a church on a pretty big lot that they own. They'll be burning books in their own yard. They're probably clever enough to have asked the local fire department for advice to avoid being shut down.

How can the church do things which their founder does not adhere to? I just can't understand the hypocracy of their actions.

 

[SynapticMisfire]

What about burning bibles in return

Sure, and then you can beat your kids to protest spousal abuse?

I recommend beating them with burning bibles.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

How can the church do things which their founder does not adhere to? I just can't understand the hypocracy of their actions.

which founder was that?

 

[lrkun]

How can the church do things which their founder does not adhere to? I just can't understand the hypocracy of their actions.

which founder was that?

Jesus. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you," Jesus said, "do ye even so to them..." (Matt. 7: 12).

 

[theatheistguy]

Ah yes, the golden rule, while JC may have agreed with it, he didn't come with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Ah yes, the golden rule, while JC may have agreed with it, he didn't come with it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

I do not believe Irkun was arguing that it did, merely pointing to the hypocrisy of these Christians.